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And Russia is still a very xenophobic country. I've never met a Russian yet who has a good word to say about the jews.(Original post by tis_me_lord)
Very true, that's one reason why Trotsky never got into power. He was Jewish.
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You're hard-pressed to hear a kind word from a Russian about many other groups of people, though.(Original post by Howard)
And Russia is still a very xenophobic country. I've never met a Russian yet who has a good word to say about the jews. -
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Talking about Dresden, did Tony Blair ever apologize to the Germans for the leveling of Dresden?(Original post by Howard)
That would have boded well for me since I come from Anglo-German (my mother's side came from Dresden) stock. I might have done quite well! -
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he had a hierarchy?(Original post by psychic_satori)
Well, if I recall correctly, Hitler had a great deal of admiration for Britain, and I think he considered Britons to rank rather highly in his heirarchy of "worthy" groups. Whereas, Stalin probably would have just killed Britons indiscriminately, as he was his habit with other people.
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(Original post by tis_me_lord)
Read a thread in general chat about hating Americans, and people kepy saying no because they saved us in WW2. I don't hate Americans, but it's for a proper reason, not that load of bull.
The only reasons that America declared war on Germany was that Hitler decided (stupidly) to declare was on the USA since they were at war with their allies, Japan.
All this stuff about saving us is rubbish. They didn't care about Europes affairs. Why didn't they join the league of nations? They wanted to ignore us. They only joined the war because of Hitler making a really stupid decision.
Russia helped us far more than America, though that was also accidental, since it was more of a common enemy than an alliance thing.
Just wanted to get this off my chest though - the USA didn't save our ass, or I should say they did, but by accident. So stop loving them for this, either that or love communist Russia as well.
Exactly! i made a similar kinda point about pearl harbour/japan, dunno if its exactly accurate on the "yanks" forum....... -
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Civilan bombing is a low act, but in this case i think it worked, and in those extreme circumstances, i think we needed to do it....(Original post by Douglas)
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Yeah, it was in my AP European History text in high school...It was kind of a diamond shape...I still have the text book, and so I got it out, and the list goes:(Original post by curryADD)
he had a hierarchy?
Green=Good Yellow=Hitler didn't know where they fit in Red=Wanted them to die
The color scheme in the book is much easier to follow, but I did what I could.Germans [who speak German, and have the Aryan appearance]
Germans [who speak German, but have dark hair/eyes]
"Germans" - [those who were historically associated with Germanic heritage--English, French, Spanish, Scandinavians, Dutch, Belgians]
Italians, Greek, Romanians
Hungarians, Finns, Celts
Asiatic peoples, Africans, Aboriginal peoples (Native Americans, Sami, etc)
Slavs
Roma
Jews
America was in a difficult position, because Hitler didn't actually base his ranking system on the country, but on the ethnic background. Since Americans are notorious for being very ethnically mixed, the ranking system couldn't apply to Americans in a general way.where was america then? -
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Yeah, one of those inferior blacks was Jesse Owens, who embarrassed Hitler and his elite aryan followers by kicking some track and field ass in the 1936 Berlin olympics.(Original post by tis_me_lord)
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Indeed, good on him. Not that Hitlers followers were ever aryan...(Original post by Douglas)
Yeah, one of those inferior blacks was Jesse Owens, who embarrassed Hitler and his elite aryan followers by kicking some track and field ass in the 1936 Berlin olympics. -
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We were never forced into the war. Germany offered the US many treaties where they promised they would not attack us if we did not get involved. We could of sat out the entire thing. Your statement is completely false.(Original post by tis_me_lord)
I'm not saying that was the reason. I'm saying it's because you were forced into the war by Germany, not by a desire to help us.The only pact signed between CCCP and Germany was the non aggresion pact which stated that each side would not attack the other- This is in strong contrast to the alliance that Poland and England had, where it WAS stated, that they would come to each others aid if Germany invaded either.Actually, if we had declared war sooner we wouldn't have been developed enough to have war, and would have fallen to Germany. Then history may have been very different. Appeasment was necessary, though it is bad that Poland was taken. A nazi-Soviet pact is a powerful thing.
We supplied England with aid and troops long before Pearl Harbor.The reason they're not relevant is because they didn't die saving us, they died to stop Germans. I don't think you would have supplied any men if Germany hadn't declared war on you.Usually thats how it works, you make a claim and back it up with actual facts otherwise this would just be the hearsay forum.Where are your facts and figures? What kind of facts do you even want?!
I dont know where you are getting all your information from, but I think you need to ask for a refund.
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Notice I said 'North America's help". I gave you guys credit.(Original post by canuck)
Lets not forget the 1 million Canadian who fought from 1939 to 1945.
Also, lets not forget the 20 million Russians who died. If Russia fell apart, the U.S. could have never stopped Hitler. -
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No, Germany actually thought for many years that the US would side with them. They worked very hard on securing us as an ally and were very disappointed when it became apparent that we would not do so.(Original post by tis_me_lord)
Quite moderate/low. You were into filthy 'jazz' music. You also had too many inferior blacks in your country.
At least you weren't Russian, east European or Jewish though.
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Just being a bit pedantic, but how do you calssify 'aid' because strictly the US didn't give aid, it SOLD weapons, food etc to britain. We paid dearly for everything bought from them. We basically sold a whole lot to persuade america to enter the war too. It certainly wasn't just the goodness of their hearts...(Original post by Kondar)
We were never forced into the war. Germany offered the US many treaties where they promised they would not attack us if we did not get involved. We could of sat out the entire thing. Your statement is completely false.The only pact signed between CCCP and Germany was the non aggresion pact which stated that each side would not attack the other- This is in strong contrast to the alliance that Poland and England had, where it WAS stated, that they would come to each others aid if Germany invaded either.We supplied England with aid and troops long before Pearl Harbor.Usually thats how it works, you make a claim and back it up with actual facts otherwise this would just be the hearsay forum.
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I wouldn't call Germany declaring war on you a peace offering, but whatever...(Original post by Kondar)
We were never forced into the war. Germany offered the US many treaties where they promised they would not attack us if we did not get involved. We could of sat out the entire thing.
The made that pact to divide Poland between them, I don't think England could stop them, and it's not like America was helping us... which is my point entirely. You were the only ones who could.Your statement is completely false.The only pact signed between CCCP and Germany was the non aggresion pact which stated that each side would not attack the other- This is in strong contrast to the alliance that Poland and England had, where it WAS stated, that they would come to each others aid if Germany invaded either.We supplied England with aid and troops long before Pearl Harbor.Usually thats how it works, you make a claim and back it up with actual facts otherwise this would just be the hearsay forum.
If you tell me what facts and figures I could possibly provide then I would, but this doesn't require them.
Germany declared war on America, fact. Though you don't seem to be aware of this. So at least learn the facts yourself before saying I need a refund on mine.
