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Reply 40
MathPhy
why did u get for d = 25 m ? :s-smilie: Shouldn't it be 45 m?


75-40=35m isn't that it?
Reply 41
Mathlete91
Oh that could be it. Damn yeah I messed up the d question instead.
I set s (in suvat) equal to d/2 because that is how far they will have each moved when they were equal. Sounds logical but is it wrong then?


I don't think so (sorry :tongue:) because I think when you Suvat you only consider 1 of them, not both :/
Reply 42
MathPhy
Ohhh no sorry the Force of the child was acting down so yeah

R = Weight + 40 sin 50


Thank you :smile:
MathPhy
why did u get for d = 25 m ? :s-smilie: Shouldn't it be 45 m?


nope sorry i got 35m from initial position
Q2 (d)
Reply 44
JjrShah
I don't think so (sorry :tongue:) because I think when you Suvat you only consider 1 of them, not both :/


Yeah, I did only consider one of them. So say for the 11kg particle:
s = d/2
u=0
v=unknown
a=0.98 or something
t=0.5

s=ut + (0.5)a(t^2)
d/2 = 0 + 0.5(0.98)(0.5^2)
d=(0.98)(0.5^2)
d=0.245

??
arhhhhhhh F*** i didnt times my answer by 2 DAMN!!!
Reply 46
PrinceNaSSeRR
arhhhhhhh F*** i didnt times my answer by 2 DAMN!!!


If you are referring to me, I don't think the general concensus is me being right.....
Mathlete91
If you are referring to me, I don't think the general concensus is me being right.....


nope, i think 0.245 is correct, because both particles start moving at the same time so it must be d/2 for each particle lol

i misread my calculator for 40cos30 to 36.64 hence mu is rong too :angry::angry:
Reply 48
PrinceNaSSeRR
nope, i think 0.245 is correct, because both particles start moving at the same time so it must be d/2 for each particle lol

i misread my calculator for 40cos30 to 36.64 hence mu is rong too :angry::angry:


Oh... I think it was you that got the same as me for mu :frown:
So I got it wrong too. Great.
ahhh i feel so stupid for reading it off rong, hope to get the ecf marks tho
Reply 50
How odd! I'm sure we don't have to do coursework... although I hope to God I haven't done the same paper as you all, as can't seem to remember any of the questions you're talking about!

Ok... the last question of the paper you're talking about here... was it a collisions questions? Where both particles were deaccelerating at a constant rate of 0.4? For the last part of the question we were asked to find the original distance between the two particles... is this the same paper?

Also we had a 9 mark question on a parcle going down a ramp into a van. Is this the same paper?
Reply 51
PrinceNaSSeRR
ahhh i feel so stupid for reading it off rong, hope to get the ecf marks tho


aww that's not stupid thats just a silly error. you wouldnt be human if you didn't make them!
yeah, me too :smile:
Reply 52
olivermc
How odd! I'm sure we don't have to do coursework... although I hope to God I haven't done the same paper as you all, as can't seem to remember any of the questions you're talking about!

Ok... the last question of the paper you're talking about here... was it a collisions questions? Where both particles were deaccelerating at a constant rate of 0.4? For the last part of the question we were asked to find the original distance between the two particles... is this the same paper?

Also we had a 9 mark question on a parcle going down a ramp into a van. Is this the same paper?


No, not the same paper. However some questions do overlap.
Mathlete91
aww that's not stupid thats just a silly error. you wouldnt be human if you didn't make them!
yeah, me too :smile:


i think im dyslexic lol
Reply 54
Mathlete91
Yeah, I did only consider one of them. So say for the 11kg particle:
s = d/2
u=0
v=unknown
a=0.98 or something
t=0.5

s=ut + (0.5)a(t^2)
d/2 = 0 + 0.5(0.98)(0.5^2)
d=(0.98)(0.5^2)
d=0.245

??


Yeah. Hmm, I think we were arguing over the same answer :tongue:
Yep, just read through the posts and I think I failed to mention that by 0.5d I meant that d = 0.246 :tongue:
Reply 55
JjrShah
We could work out mu now, I guess.
I remember it was 40N and angle of 50 degrees, mass was 8kg sooooooo

Friction = 40cos50 = 34.6N
8g = R + 40sin30
R = 8*9.8 - 40sin30 = 58.4N

Friction = muR
mu = 34.6/58.4 = 0.592

NOOOOOOO I got it wrong ;(

Edit: Oh, angle was 50 degrees?
I'm just confused now, where have I gone wrong in my working? Because R was indeed given as 98.4N
34.6/98.4 = 0.352 :O

:wink: how can u guy get 58.4 while part a said that show that R=96.4?????:o: I got it wrong first but it's a really tricky question. Have you ever wondered the direction of acceleration? which would change your answer.
Reply 56
Mathlete91
Here's my answers. Ah still cant believe I got u wrong :frown:

1) 9 ms^-1

2)

a) v = 0 at t = 0, 30, and 50s
b) Distance = 75 m
c) Total Distance = 115 m
d) Distance = 35 m

3)

a) a = Proved a = 6.30 ms^-2
b) a = 5
c) Part (b) includes frictionthats why the value is less.

4)

a) Peg has no friction (smooth).
b) String is light and inextensible.
c) a = 0.98 ms^-2
d) i) v = 0.49 ms^-1
ii) s = 0.245 m

5)

a) Draw free body diagram includes 4 forces.
b) 98.4 N
c) 34.6 N : well if I got mu wrong then I must have got this wrong too. Damn.
d) u = 0.352 : wrong apparently

6)

a) ( 9i + 12j )
b) 15 N
c) 6kg
d) i) r = ( 0.75i + 1j ) t^2
ii) d = 5 m ( Maybe thats as well wrong anyone got different answer?)

7)

a) Proved the resultant force.
b) I got 292 degrees

8)

a) max h = 23.5 m
b) Show the time taken, proved t = 4.28 s
c) Cant remember. Did the horizontal velocity and the vertical velocity then found the magnitude. Hope thats right!

Anyone got same? different? answers?

U got a really good memory. I could even question 2 of my answers. You guys are so clever man.:yep:
how worse can it get,

i read 40cos30 as 36.64 instead of 34.64 from my calculator,

it cost me 2 marks for reading it wrong and 3 marks for using it and getting mu wrong

im gonna die :angry:
Reply 58
i would love an unofficial mark scheme
mobz247
i would love an unofficial mark scheme


loooooool

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