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Zionism= Racism

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zionism =/= racism
anti-semitism = racism

They are different things.
:smile:

Reply 2

Basma

No, it's more of a motion/belief.

Reply 3

Basma

but anti zionist=/=racist or anti-semitism.

Reply 4

ypo

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What exactly is racism anyway?

Surely Zionist ideology is no different to any nationalist ideology. Just as antisemitism is a special term for "racism" directed against Jews, Zionism is the ideology that Jews are entitled to a homeland.

To all those that will inevitably decry Zionist thought as racism, would you similarly rebuke other movements for national homelands as racist? Think Kurds, Sri Lankan Tamils, Kosovan Albanians, Western Saharans...

Reply 5

RightSaidJames

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Zionism is a belief in a Jewish homeland, not a Jewish homeland that excludes all others. If it was the latter it would be a racist ideology, but it's not.

Reply 6

ypo

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RightSaidJames

Zionism is a belief in a Jewish homeland, not a Jewish homeland that excludes all others. If it was the latter it would be a racist ideology, but it's not.

While I largely agree with what you say, would you similarly label Japan and Korea racist states for wanting to remain ethnically and culturally homogeneous?

Reply 7

TheMeister

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^^ What he (the guy before last) said.

Reply 8

JJ1

lots of sensible people here

zionism is not racist. It is no different from any other cultural or ethnic group wanting the right to self determination.

*ducks the OPs angry riposte*

Reply 9

Erebus

It's a movement, ignoramous.

Reply 10

username236426

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The political movement itself is not really racist, but I honestly question if there was any real need for Zionism.

Yes.

arisk01

zionism =/= racism
anti-semitism = racism

They are different things.
:smile:

Is discrimination against a person who practices the jewish faith anti-semitism?

That would make anti-semitism =/= racism.

Reply 13

ypo

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shamrock92

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

Reply 14

Magnum Opus

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reems23

Is discrimination against a person who practices the jewish faith anti-semitism?

That would make anti-semitism =/= racism.

Jewish is also an ethnicity...
I was making a distinction between the faith (zionism) and the ethnicity

Reply 15

ypo

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reems23

Is discrimination against a person who practices the jewish faith anti-semitism?

That would make anti-semitism =/= racism.

Jewish ethnicity and religion is inextricably linked. While it is perhaps more accurate to describe racism's antisemitism subset as hatred against people of Jewish ethnicity (and any religion or lack thereof), the vast majority of religious Jews are ethnically Jewish so common usage is not so strict. Interestingly, many languages make a distinction in terming ethnic Jews and religious Jews. Perhaps we should just call ethnic Jews Hebrews. Would sure clear up a lot of confusion...

Reply 16

reems23

arisk01

Jewish is also an ethnicity...
I was making a distinction between the faith (zionism) and the ethnicity

Wait, I thought zionism was the support of Israel and it's actions. Is that synonymous with being of Jewish faith?

Or can a person who follows the jewish religion [god this is difficult] not support the actions of Israel?

Reply 17

Magnum Opus

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reems23

Wait, I thought zionism was the support of Israel and it's actions. Is that synonymous with being of Jewish faith?

Or can a person who follows the jewish religion [god this is difficult] not support the actions of Israel?

Not all Jews (be they ethnic or religious or both) are in favour of zionism. Not all zionists (you might find it funny to believe) are Jews either.

Reply 18

reems23

arisk01

Not all Jews (be they ethnic or religious or both) are in favour of zionism. Not all zionists (you might find it funny to believe) are Jews either.

Your making assumptions about me which are untrue.

You said "faith (zionism)" so I thought you meant they were synonymous.

Reply 19

ypo

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arisk01

Not all Jews (be they ethnic or religious or both) are in favour of zionism. Not all zionists (you might find it funny to believe) are Jews either.

In fact the vast majority of Zionists are neither ethnically nor religiously Jewish. Just look at America's 80 million odd Zionist Evangelical Christians.

Zionism= Racism

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