Zionism= Racism

ypo

So by your definition a statement like...

...would not be considered racist?

Well if you insulted every race in the book, including your own. It isn't.

Edit - and the level of 'rudeness' must be equal.

Reply 62

MsAnonymous<3

THIS is what I define racism as;
Found it on the net suggest you read it.....

"The Jews are called human beings, but the
non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a
pregnant animal."

Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits
and are called pigs."

Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as
eating with a dog."

Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like
intercourse between animals."
Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life
of a Gentile."

Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the
Torah. The Christians belong to the denying
ones of the Torah."

Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with
your own hands."

Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless
(non-Jews), is doing the same as making a
sacrifice to God."

Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS
ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE
INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM INSECTS. IN
FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE
BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES
ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR
DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR
EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER
WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR
FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES." --Menachem Begin
(Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)

"The life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of
1,000 Arabs. The Talmud states that if gentiles rob Israel of
silver they will pay it back in gold, and all that is taken will be
paid back in folds, but in cases like these there is nothing to pay
back, since as I said – the life of one yeshiva boy is worth more
than the lives of 1,000 Arabs,"

Former Sephardi chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu

www.ynetnews.com

Professor Israel Shahak is deeply troubled by this peculiar
atmosphere. Whereas the Jews around him take it for granted
that the goyim on whom they depend for economic, military,
and diplomatic support are too stupid ever to figure out what
the Jews think about them and say about them behind their
backs and plan to do to them when they can, and too sheeplike
ever to take effective action if they do figure it out, he worries. He
remembers that the Romans figured it out, and they consequently
sacked Jerusalem and chased the Jews out of Palestine. He
remembers that the Germans figured it out, and that's why he
became an involuntary tenant in a concentration camp. He's
worried that if his fellow Jews continue behaving as they always
have, they will get themselves into some really serious
trouble--again.

Sexual intercourse between a married Jewish woman and any
man other than her husband is a capital offense for both parties,
and one of the three most heinous sins. The status of Gentile women
is very different. The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be utterly
promiscuous and the verse "whose flesh is as the flesh of asses,
and whose issue [of semen] is like the issue of horses" is applied
to them. . . . Therefore, the concept of adultery does not apply to
intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman; rather
the Talmud equates such intercourse to the sin of bestiality.

If a Jew finds property whose probable owner is Jewish, the finder
is strictly enjoined to make a positive effort to return his find by
advertising it publicly. In contrast, the Talmud and all the early
rabbinical authorities not only allow a Jewish finder to appropriate
an article lost by a Gentile, but actually forbid him or her to
return it. . . .

It is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an
unreasonable price. However, "Fraud does not apply to
Gentiles, for it is written: `Do not defraud each man
his brother' . . . ."

Jew Genocide & Gentile Hate

“The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that
we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We
don’t believe in authoritarianism.”

Al Goldstein- publisher of Screw magazine
(Maybe Al should have a word with the
authoritarian state towards Palestinians
and non-Jews , the state of Israel)

"I hope the Jews did kill Christ…I'd do it again. I'd *******
do it again—in a second." - Sarah Silverman

"In my heart, there was joy mixed with sadness: joy that the
nations at last acknowledged that we are a nation with a state,
and sadness that we lost half of the country, Judea and Samaria,
and , in addition, that we [would] have [in our state] 400,000
[Palestinian] Arabs." - David Ben-Gurion
(Righteous Victims, p. 190)

"We must continually raise the demand that our land be returned
to our possession .... If there are other inhabitants there, they must
be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We
have a great and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred
thousands of [Palestinian] Arabs fellahin [peasants]."
Menachem Ussishkin (Righteous Victims, p. 141)

"We Jews, thank God, have nothing to do with the East. . . . The
Islamic soul must be broomed out of Eretz-Yisrael. . . . [Muslims
are] yelling rabble dressed up in gaudy, savage rags."-
Ze'ev Jabotinsky (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)

"many are semi-nomad, they have given nothing to Palestine
and are not entitled to the rules of democracy."
(Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 14)

"Germans are not human. [...] If in the course of one day
you have not killed at least one German, for you it was a
lost day. When you have killed one German, kill another -
for us there is nothing more jolly than German bodies." -

The Soviets Jewish propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg

Theodore N. Kaufman's Germany Must Perish was
published by the Argyle Press in 1941. This book
proposed the eradication of the German population
by the sterilization of both males and females of
reproductive age.

"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not
just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and
conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at
a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who
do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong
to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The
Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them
meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel
at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem
Post August 30, 2000

" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim
Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin
and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ...
heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime
Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York
Times April 1, 1988

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to
do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches
in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence
Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this
and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't
worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,
control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli
Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres,
as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the
Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon
may not have been joking.) Ariel Sharon brags about
who truly controls America !

Amazing how Jews can express the most vile of
hatreds. Amazing how they can disparage Christianity
and Islam, express their hatred of non-Jews. But they
aren't condemned for this hate, only the people who
point It out are."

Reply 63

Yes, interesting definition of racism, msAnonymous<3. Taking Medieval quotes is certainly a great definition. One could equally note instances of current demonstrations of racial hatred coming from the Arab world. And I'm not just talking about cartoons portraying Condi Rice as a monkey or Jews as devils:

http://www.opinionbug.com/?p=1517
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
http://www.memritv.org

Reply 64

reems23

Well if you insulted every race in the book, including your own. It isn't.

Edit - and the level of 'rudeness' must be equal.

Why? It's not discriminating against any one, is it?

Reply 65

ypo

Why? It's not discriminating against any one, is it?

Pardon? I assume your referring to the second sentence.
Firstly, your posts have revealed you to be a first class tool. The level of nit picking you do is incredible. Secondly, if you insult one race more than another, you are discriminating more against one race than another. Thus discrimination occurs.

You lose.

Reply 66

Paxdax

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Topmanfaz

The political movement itself is not really racist, but I honestly question if there was any real need for Zionism.

Two millenias of persecution culminating in some events around 60-70 years ago?

I don't blame them.

Reply 67

Longshoredrift80

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Topmanfaz

The political movement itself is not really racist, but I honestly question if there was any real need for Zionism.

Well, you'll have to excuse the original Zionists, because when Zionism got going in the late 19th Century they didn't realise what a safe and easy life the Jews were going to have in the 20th Century.

Reply 68

reems23

Pardon? I assume your referring to the second sentence.

1. to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit; show partiality: The new law discriminates against foreigners. He discriminates in favor of his relatives.

Going back to the earlier example, would it or would it not be racist by the above definition for someone that views dark skin as ugly to note that native Africans are, on average, darker than native Europeans?

The point I am getting at is that racism is highly subjective. I would highly recommend watching A Conversation About Race. It's a is great film that explores this notion in quite some detail:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TC0AuhogixQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aeU_5YmS_9E
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgrysv9Xa_Q
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h_NUGl2lZao

Reply 69

Longshoredrift80

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Topmanfaz

They were victims of racism. Just because you are victimised for being a Jew, it doesn't give you the right to establish a Jewish homeland in Israel where Palestinians lived peacefully together with Jews.
1. You might want to read up on Arab-Jewish violence in the 1920s and 1930s. It got so bad that the British first proposed a partition plan in 1938.
2. The 'palestinians' didn't live anywhere, they were just plain old Arabs back then.

Reply 70

iwilson03

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Zionism is not racism, but its probably been twisted to look that way in the recent events where basically everyone hates Israel at the moment.

Reply 71

ypo

Going back to the earlier example, would it or would it not be racist by the above definition for someone that views dark skin as ugly to note that native Africans are, on average, darker than native Europeans?

The point I am getting at is that racism is highly subjective. I would highly recommend watching A Conversation About Race. It's a is great film that explores this notion in quite some detail:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TC0AuhogixQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aeU_5YmS_9E
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgrysv9Xa_Q
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h_NUGl2lZao

Where is the discrimination? as long as you do not generalize and say all native africans are ugly, only the ones which you consider to be ugly to be ugly.

And I can't be arsed to watch the video. I'm fairly sure I understand what racism is.

Reply 72

reems23

Well by definition you are correct, it is still racism. But as you said, the examples don't make sense, and so a little bit of common sense is required. My definition was only a brief one. If you want a definitive one, the oxford dictionary is the way forward.

Lol. Understand, racism has no special meaning or concept specific to its self like other words, broadly it doesn't reffer to anything which can't be said in annother way. Taken philosophically in anyother manner other than as just a pure word it useless, because it doesn't prescribe any set of things we couldn't be more meaningfully said in annother way. It is a junk word.

Reply 73

Seven_Three

Lol. Understand, racism has no special meaning or concept specific to its self like other words, broadly it doesn't reffer to anything which can't be said in annother way. Taken philosophically in anyother manner other than as just a pure word it useless, because it doesn't prescribe any set of things we couldn't be more meaningfully said in annother way. It is a junk word.

You have said nothing.

I don't understand. :confused:

Reply 74

reems23

Where is the discrimination? as long as you do not generalize and say all native africans are ugly, only the ones which you consider to be ugly to be ugly.

And I can't be arsed to watch the video. I'm fairly sure I understand what racism is.

Watch the first, 2 minute clip. It addresses exactly what you've been saying.

Reply 75

reems23

You have said nothing.

I don't understand. :confused:

'racism' is too broad a category to have any vaible meaning when trying to have a rational conversation. Talking about concepts and understanding them rationally means we need a set definition for the words, most words are easy to understand and defined, 'racism' is too broad for a public conversation unless we define it previous to talking about it. What I was saying earlier tied into this and basically said, whatever we can talk about by saying 'racism' can be said with other words more acurrately. Understand? Racism is too broad and undefined a definition to have meaningful usage in rational discussion.

Reply 76

ypo

Watch the first, 2 minute clip. It addresses exactly what you've been saying.

Seven_Three

'racism' is too broad a category to have any vaible meaning when trying to have a rational conversation. Talking about concepts and understanding them rationally means we need a set definition for the words, most words are easy to understand and defined, 'racism' is too broad for a public conversation unless we define it previous to talking about it. What I was saying earlier tied into this and basically said, whatever we can talk about by saying 'racism' can be said with other words more acurrately. Understand? Racism is too broad and undefined a definition to have meaningful usage in rational discussion.

Oxford Dictionary

noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.

Webster's Dictionary

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

The definitions are more or less the same. The official definition of the word is the same. That's why it exists as a word, otherwise we might as well bin it and conjure up a new one. Society can interpret racism differently but that makes society rubbish. If a person used the word racism wrongly accost him, but that doesn't affect the definition of racism. If a person assigns his own meaning to the word racism, then that person is wrong.

That guy at the start of the video? an uneducated fool. The video relies on a wikipedia entry? :s-smilie:

A wikipedia entry can never be the definitive definition to anything. Thus undermining the argument. There is an official definition, it's in the dictionary. Racism as a definition is fine.

Reply 77

reems23

The definitions are more or less the same. The official definition of the word is the same. That's why it exists as a word, otherwise we might as well bin it and conjure up a new one. Society can interpret racism differently but that makes society rubbish. If a person used the word racism wrongly accost him, but that doesn't affect the definition of racism. If a person assigns his own meaning to the word racism, then that person is wrong.

That guy at the start of the video? an uneducated fool. The video relies on a wikipedia entry? :s-smilie:

A wikipedia entry can never be the definitive definition to anything. Thus undermining the argument. There is an official definition, it's in the dictionary. Racism as a definition is fine.

Understand just having the word 'racism' there as a word to describe a broad category of things which is what it is, a descriptor of a large number of things. Using it to rationally discuss is bad because the word almost acts as a generalisation, and in my opinion to broad and diverse a category to have any proper useage in rational discussion. If you mean racial discrimination just say racial discrimination, if you mean anything else which could braodly be called racism just say it.
Why denote it as 'racism' per se? It is just trying to conflate things which are logically and rationally dissimilar into one lable as to make a erronous generalisation.

Reply 78

Seven_Three

Understand just having the word 'racism' there as a word to describe a broad category of things which is what it is, a descriptor of a large number of things. Using it to rationally discuss is bad because the word almost acts as a generalisation, and in my opinion to broad and diverse a category to have any proper useage in rational discussion. If you mean racial discrimination just say racial discrimination, if you mean anything else which could braodly be called racism just say it.
Why denote it as 'racism' per se? It is just trying to conflate things which are logically and rationally dissimilar into one lable as to make a erronous generalisation.

racial discrimination = racism

I don't understand that last bit. I think you're trying to say that it can get confusing. So? If used in the correct sense, racism is a perfectly concept/word/whatever.

And I don't care anymore. I have no idea why I'm arguing with you.

Night.

Reply 79