[daniel_williams]

Taxation Act 2009 (Conservative)

Taxation Act 2009

An Act to increase the personal tax allowance, taking c.24 million of the poorest British people out of income tax altogether, saving people up to £5,000 each, and making a corresponding 13% cut in public spending to bring it back down to just above 2006 levels.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1. Increases in the income tax allowance thresholds.

(a) The Personal Allowance for income tax shall increase from £6,035 (in 2008-09) to £30,000.

(b) The Personal Allowance for people aged 65-74 shall increase from £9,030 to £32,000.

(c) The Personal Allowance for people aged 75 and over shall increase from £9,180 to £34,000.

(d) The Married Couple's Allowance in its current form shall cease to exist.

(e) A new Married Person's Allowance shall be created. This will apply to any person who:
- is married or is in a civil partnership AND
- who shares residence with their spouse/civil partner.
This will increase the existing Personal Allowance of each partners by £500.

(f) The Blind Person's Allowance shall continue to be £1,890 in addition to the person's original Personal Allowance.

2. Rates of tax

(a) A person shall pay Income Tax of 20% on the first £9,825 of any earnings which exceeds his Personal Allowance.

(b) A person shall pay Income Tax of 40% on any earnings which exceed both his Personal Allowance and the first £9,825 upon which he is already paying Income Tax, but which are less than £150,000 in total.

(c) In accordance with the Tax Bill 2008, all earnings over £150,000 will be taxed at a rate of 45%.

3. Decrease in public spending.

Government expenditure in the financial year 2009-2010, as announced in the 2009 Budget report, shall not exceed £536,000,000,000.

4. Commencement, short title and extent

(a) This Act may be cited as the Taxation Act 2009.

(b) Sections 1 and 2 of this Act shall come into force at the start of the tax year commencing 6th April 2009.

(c) Section 3 of this Act shall come into force immediately upon the passing of this Act.

(d) This Act extends to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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tldr

[SuperhansFavouriteAlsatian]

Yes, yes, a million times yes. I don't care what has to be cut.

[tommm]

There you go, a Tory bill which directly helps the poor.

[Metrobeans]

(Original post by tommm)
There you go, a Tory bill which directly helps the poor.

Yep, because those poor people will be loving the tax cuts when they're made unemployed. How about an economic plan which injects money into the economy and creates jobs?

[DayneD89]

(Original post by tommm)
There you go, a Tory bill which directly helps the poor.

But with the government spending less also helps them lose there jobs. We should be spending more in this time of economic crisis to help keep jobs being created both in public and private sector.

[Overground]

3. Decrease in public spending.

Government expenditure in the financial year 2009-2010, as announced in the 2009 Budget report, shall not exceed £536,000,000,000.


That is ludicrously vague. What exactly do you propose cutting these billions from?

And these spending cuts will just lead directly and rapidly to unemployment and deepen and lengthen the financial crisis in the UK. No.

[paperclip]

Gah, OG and metrobeans beat me to it

No.

[Gremlins]

Oh sweet merciful Jesus. It's as though Milton Friedman's come back from the grave. This bill doesn't, actually, help the poor (by which I mean people earning under ~£15k) or the lower middle party (i.e. £15-25, ish) at all. Yes, they will be taxed less, but imagine the services we'd have to slash to pay for this monstrosity. Services which the poor use more than anyone else, and which the poor pay less per capita for now because they're generally based on need. This amounts to nothing more than a collosal assault on any kind of bonds linking us together, in order to benefit the upper-middle class at the expense of the rest of us.

[Matthew_Lowson]

(Original post by Overground)
3. Decrease in public spending.

Government expenditure in the financial year 2009-2010, as announced in the 2009 Budget report, shall not exceed £536,000,000,000.


That is ludicrously vague.

How, just states the actual limitation on the budget, trying to preserve money in need of a raining day, unlike the Labour party who spent their way in, and have no back up to help them

[Indievertigo]

(Original post by Gremlins)
Oh sweet merciful Jesus. It's as though Milton Friedman's come back from the grave. This bill doesn't, actually, help the poor (by which I mean people earning under ~£15k) or the lower middle party (i.e. £15-25, ish) at all. Yes, they will be taxed less, but imagine the services we'd have to slash to pay for this monstrosity. Services which the poor use more than anyone else, and which the poor pay less per capita for now because they're generally based on need. This amounts to nothing more than a collosal assault on any kind of bonds linking us together, in order to benefit the upper-middle class at the expense of the rest of us.

What services do you presume will be slashed? We believe this will in this difficult period help stimulate the economy by putting money directly into the pockets of those who need it. (Umm... didn't G.Brown say exactly the same thing about his VAT cut?.. )

(Original post by Overground)
3. Decrease in public spending.

Government expenditure in the financial year 2009-2010, as announced in the 2009 Budget report, shall not exceed £536,000,000,000.


That is ludicrously vague. What exactly do you propose cutting these billions from?

And these spending cuts will just lead directly and rapidly to unemployment and deepen and lengthen the financial crisis in the UK. No.

Well to start with, some of the hundreds of Quangos New Labour have set up since 1997 will be consigned to the scrapheap (a term, I do believe one Mr Tony Blair used in his 1997 manifesto re Quangos... interesting. But OT)

www.extras.timesonline.co.uk/quango.pdf

[Gremlins]

OK, scrap some QUANGOs. What then?

(Also, does the fact that everyone promises to get rid of them, then fails to do it, suggests that they're actually harder to get rid of than it would seem?)

[davireland]

(Original post by Overground)
What exactly do you propose cutting these billions from?

I was hoping someone was going to ask this, we are going to get rid of a large proportion of wasteful QUANGO's.

This article sums it up nicely:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3953922.ece

Also I dont know where the figure of 15k has come from Gremlins?

This bill is doing a damn sight more to help the poor than any of your bills have this term, it does more than the Labour bill because it provides tax relief for the poorest in society rather than simply penalising the rich. I naively hoped that the house would see this bill as a promising step forward but obviously party politics is getting in the way of helping those most at need

EDIT: Indie beat me to it.

[Gremlins]

Oh, Sorry. I forgot the Tory definition of 'poor' was £30k and below. Do you even have any idea what the median wage is in this country ?

[Indievertigo]

(Original post by Gremlins)
OK, scrap some QUANGOs. What then?

(Also, does the fact that everyone promises to get rid of them, then fails to do it, suggests that they're actually harder to get rid of than it would seem?)

Well it would seem that they are very hard to get rid of. Indeed Tony Blair resorted to renaming them to get rid of them.

But even if we just cut the Quangos introduced since 1997

Spoiler:

Show

QUANGOS ESTABLISHED SINCE 1997
Date of Establishment
Treasure Valuation Committee 1997
UK Sport 1997
Better Regulation Task Force 1997
Low Pay Commission 1997
Qualifications and Curriculum Authority 1997
British Potato Council 1997
Criminal Cases Review Commission 1997
Police Information Technology Organisation 1997
Scottish Screen 1997
Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB 1998
Public Services Productivity Panel 1998
Welsh Committee for Professional Development of Pharmacists 1998
Historic Royal Palaces 1998
New Opportunities Fund 1998
Civil Justice Council 1998
Scottish Advisory Committee on Distinction Awards 1998
NESTA 1998
British Educational Communications and Technology Agency 1998
Youth Justice Board for England and Wales 1998
Living East / East of England Cultural Consortium 1999
West Midlands Life Cultural Consortium 1999
Yorkshire Culture 1999
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission 1999
Civil Procedure Rule Committee 1999
Advisory Panel on Substance Misuse 1999
Competition Commission 1999
One North East 1999
East England Development Agency 1999
Culture North East 1999
North West Cultural Consortium 1999
Advisory Committee on Consumer Products and the Environment 1999
THE ESSENTIAL GUIDE TO BRITISH QUANGOS 2005
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Zoos Forum 1999
Advisory Committee on Animal Feedingstuffs 1999
Genetics and Insurance Committee 1999
Human Genetics Commission 1999
Sentencing Advisory Panel 1999
Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment 1999
National Lottery Commission 1999
Countryside Agency 1999
Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission 1999
Advantage West Midlands 1999
East Midlands Development Agency 1999
North West Development Agency 1999
South East England Development Agency 1999
South West of England Regional Development Agency 1999
Yorkshire Forward 1999
Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland 1999
Scottish Further Education Funding Council 1999
Water Industry Commissioner for Scotland 1999
Equality Commission for Northern Ireland 1999
South East England Cultural Consortium 2000
Independent Advisory Group on Teenage Pregnancy 2000
Independent Review Panel on the Classification of Borderline Medicines 2000
Ethnic Minority Business Forum 2000
Gas & Electricity Consumer Council 2000
London Development Agency 2000
House of Lords Appointments Commission 2000
Learning & Teaching Scotland 2000
Legal Services Consultative Panel 2000
Agriculture and Environment Biotechnology Commission 2000
Small Business Council 2000
Statistics Commission 2000
UK Film Council 2000
Reource The Council for Museums, Archives and Libraries 2000
Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner 2000
Legal Service Commission 2000
The Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland 2000
Disability Right Commission 2000
Small Business Investment Taskforce 2000
Independent Appeal Panel for Farmers 2001
Prison Service Pay Review Body 2001
Standards Board for England 2001
National Criminal Intelligence Service 2001
QUANGOS ESTABLISHED SINCE 1997
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Northern Ireland Policing Board 2001
Care Council for Wales 2001
National Council for Education and Training in Wales 2001
Scottish Social Services Council 2001
Carbon Trust 2001
Government-Industry Forum on Non-food uses of crops 2001
Veterinary Residues Committee 2001
Committee on the Safety of Devices 2001
Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition 2001
Specialist Advisory Committee on Antimicrobial Resistance 2001
National Employment Panel 2001
Waste Management Advisory Board 2001
Adult Learning Inspectorate 2001
Sector Skills Development Agency 2001
General Social Care Council 2001
Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service 2001
Consumer Council for Postal Services 2001
East of England Development Agency 2001
National Employer Advisory Board 2002
Integrated Administration and Control Sytems Appeal Panel 2002
Disability Employment Advisory Committee 2002
Invest Northern Ireland 2002
Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council 2002
Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care 2002
Mobility and Access Committee for Scotland - Secretariat 2002
Loch Lomond and The Trossachs National Park Authority 2002
National Community Forum 2002
Consumer Committee 2002
Land Registration Rule Committee 2002
Central Police Training & Development Authority (Centrex) 2002
Independent Monitoring Boards of Prisons and Immigration Removal Centres 2002
NI Practice and Education Council for Nursing & Midwifery 2002
The Gaelic Development Agency 2002
Committee on Radioactive Waste Management 2003
Advisory Committee on Carbon Abatement Technologies 2003
Cairngorms National Park Authority 2003
Historic Environment Advisory Council for Scotland 2003
The Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health 2003
Natural History Museum 2003/4
Health Professions Wales 2004,

, that would be a start and save billions.

http://www.cps.org.uk/cpsfile.asp?id=791

[davireland]

(Original post by Gremlins)
OK, scrap some QUANGOs. What then?

(Also, does the fact that everyone promises to get rid of them, then fails to do it, suggests that they're actually harder to get rid of than it would seem?)

We've done our sums and through the removal of some QUANGO's this is perfectly affordable, like the Chancellor said in our sub-forum:

(Original post by Bagration)
24 million of Britain's poorest taken out of income tax with no loss to service spending on healthcare, pensions, and education.

We are the party who are committed to helping the poor, the party opposite are committed to talking about helping the poor. We are the party of action not words.

[davireland]

(Original post by Gremlins)
Oh, Sorry. I forgot the Tory definition of 'poor' was £30k and below. Do you even have any idea what the median wage is in this country ?

Do you understand the bill? It says the current first threshold is £6093 for income tax we are raising this up to 30k, meaning everyone who is earning under 30k will pay significantly less tax.

[Indievertigo]

(Original post by Gremlins)
Oh, Sorry. I forgot the Tory definition of 'poor' was £30k and below. Do you even have any idea what the median wage is in this country ?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

Roughly 25k. By targeting not only the poor, but those earning an average wage, we are stimulating the economy, thus reducing the likelihood of job losses.

[SuperhansFavouriteAlsatian]

How much better are our lives now than they were in 2001? According to the limits in the bill and this graph, we'll be returned to the horrible, lowly levels of public services offered in 2005.

[davireland]

(Original post by Gremlins)
Oh, Sorry. I forgot the Tory definition of 'poor' was £30k and below. Do you even have any idea what the median wage is in this country ?

Do you understand the bill? It says the current first threshold is £6093 for income tax we are raising this up to 30k, meaning everyone who is earning under 30k will pay significantly less tax.