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I noticed a thread on immigrating to the US a couple of days ago, asking which was better, the UK or America. I can't find that thread, but here are my thoughts as someone who's lived and worked in California for two years.

I was sent into exile in California about two years ago, but am quitting my job here and moving back home, even if it means being the laughing stock among my friends and society. The reasons are myriad.

The US cannot compete with the UK with regards life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

For a start, the UK is a much freer society. One can speak the truth about politics (particularly America's role in the world and Israel) without being censured, even by supposed liberals, and we have a free press. Something like the Indy, or even the Guardian, could never be published in the US, since it falls outside of the mainstream. All US newspapers self-censor to avoid upsetting the military-industrial complex and establishment, apart from the neoconservative right, which can publish its racism and homophobia at will.

Civil liberties are virtually non-existent. The police and bureaucracy are so unwieldy that once you've been accused of a misdemeanor or infraction, there's no getting out of it. Get a parking ticket and you were within the lines? The people at the parking bureau can barely speak English and really can't be bothered. Want a driver's license? Wait 6 hours at the DMV. Walk across the street a few feet out of the designated crossing--a stern talking to by a cop in jackboots with a gun, and a $180 fine. And that's even if you're white.

There's no socioeconomic conflict here, as Bismark gloats, but is that a good thing? Is it a good thing that people transfer their frustrations of living in the most unfair, overworked, unmeritocratic and unequal society in the industrialized world onto false categories such as race? For while nobody bitches about the ruling class, who are truly responsible for America's ills, your average working class white is sure to harbor many a racial prejudice.

Americans aren't any dumber than people of other nationalities. There's just a greater percentage of them who don't give a **** about anything outside of their immediate sphere of activity. It’s this mindboggling parochialism which engenders a situation where people without health insurance are happy to wave 6 by 4 flags from their ghetto houses and cry at football game flyovers (this is when warplanes show off the might of empire by flying over the field before the Star Spangled Banner is played—I kid you not). That these people can recollect off the top of their heads the batting averages of every Dodgers player in the last 40 years, but think that Europe is a country and England is near to Canada, is testament to misplaced intellect rather than lack thereof.

Like the Buffalo soldiers who fought in segregated companies in World War II, it’s so tragic to see Mexican families buy into the America dream so completely, when you hear privileged white students from the OC and Malibu joke about how they’d rather get a DUI than use the metro, “cause we speak English and that’s not our mode of transportation”. Many Latinos work 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks with no union benefits or respect, yet fly their flags, plaster “Support the Troops” and “Freedom isn’t Free” stickers on their banged up SUVs, enlist in the military at a rate greater than any other ethnic group, eat artery clogging fast food for every meal, and vote to take away the rights of other oppressed minorities (Prop 8).

It would be unfair to single out only the Mexicans for their apathy. College students, for the most part, are equally unconcerned. Why do so many Americans use TSR? Because a web forum where college-age students can intelligibly debate the issues of the day would never fly in the US. This is what they have in place of TSR: www.juicycampus.com

Oh, and did I mention it’s very religious? Go to plentyoffish.com, an online dating site. Look at, say, Birmingham, and do a random search for people. Chances are just about all of the people will have N/A or non-religious as their religious beliefs status. Now got to Birmingham, AL, and do a similar search. I predict you’ll get 70% Baptist the rest Methodist and Christian-Other. Okay, let’s try the most “liberated” place in America, San Francisco, CA and limit the search to Caucasians to avoid Latino and black piety skewing our results. Bet you still get 60% professing some kind of Christian—if not Protestant—belief. This is not a bad thing in itself. It just means that half of the population you wouldn’t really want to hang out with, since they’d try to convert you, for Americans don’t really go in for Episcopal “live and let live” type religiosity any more. It also means if you’re gay, you’ll end up either living in a homosexual ghetto like West Hollywood or the Castro, or having to hide your sexuality. Same if you’re a sexually liberated woman. Getting the reputation of a slut strikes fear into the heart of every freshman girl on even secular American campuses, and there are plenty of people there to brand you as such. And that binge drinking habit you’ve gotten into. That’s got to go, unless you become part of the Greek subculture. And carrying an open container gets you a $160 fine and a booking.

Whoever said America doesn’t have any culture is incorrect. It’s got fake tits, cars and TV. Only joking. North America has over 400 years of European history and the native narratives are incredibly interesting. Some of it is enlightened, some of it tragic, most of it hypocritical and its historiography shrouded in hyperbole, but it’s there nonetheless, and all educated people should study it. Trouble is, a lot of Americans (perhaps most) don’t give a damn, and this goes back to the apathy. We’re not talking here about the finer points of the incorporation of the California Republic into the Union, which again, I think people living in this part of the world should know about to an extent. No. If I drove along Wilshire Blvd tomorrow and asked 20 people to recite five amendments of the Bill of Rights, I’d be lucky to find 10 who could. I bet I’d even find a few people who didn’t know what the Bill of Rights was. And that’s why Bush was able to ride roughshod over the people’s constitutional rights. How can they defend them when they don’t know what they are? What good is a rich history if it remains the preserve of rich people, who are the only ones who can afford a decent education and are the last to have their rights trammelled in any case?

America is a vast and fascinating country, and you need to go on a road trip from sea to shining sea to even begin to understand America as a literary, social, political and cultural phenomenon. And I thoroughly encourage all young thinking Brits to do so. Most of you will realize how lucky you are to have been born in the country you were, while the odd few might fall in love and immigrate. Good luck to them.

Some good things about California:

You can get any ethnic food you want at any time you want. Even the Indian food is as good as anything you’d get in Bradford.

People are often genuinely excited to talk to you, even if they’re not quite sure where you’re from.

You can surf in the morning on Venice Beach and ski in the afternoon at Big Bear.

People have a real sense of optimism here, even if they live in a slum neighborhood and work long hours.

The diversity. Fewer than a quarter of California residents (including non-citizens) were born in state.

The most stunning coastal highway in the world.

Big British ex-pat community so you can watch the football in an authentic pub with Strongbow and Carling, wishing you were hadn’t been exiled.

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Originally Posted by bret
I noticed a thread on immigrating to the US a couple of days ago, asking which was better, the UK or America. I can't find that thread, but here are my thoughts as someone who's lived and worked in California for two years.

I was sent into exile in California about two years ago, but am quitting my job here and moving back home, even if it means being the laughing stock among my friends and society. The reasons are myriad.

The US cannot compete with the UK with regards life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

For a start, the UK is a much freer society. One can speak the truth about politics (particularly America's role in the world and Israel) without being censured, even by supposed liberals, and we have a free press. Something like the Indy, or even the Guardian, could never be published in the US, since it falls outside of the mainstream. All US newspapers self-censor to avoid upsetting the military-industrial complex and establishment, apart from the neoconservative right, which can publish its racism and homophobia at will.

Civil liberties are virtually non-existent. The police and bureaucracy are so unwieldy that once you've been accused of a misdemeanor or infraction, there's no getting out of it. Get a parking ticket and you were within the lines? The people at the parking bureau can barely speak English and really can't be bothered. Want a driver's license? Wait 6 hours at the DMV. Walk across the street a few feet out of the designated crossing--a stern talking to by a cop in jackboots with a gun, and a $180 fine. And that's even if you're white.

There's no socioeconomic conflict here, as Bismark gloats, but is that a good thing? Is it a good thing that people transfer their frustrations of living in the most unfair, overworked, unmeritocratic and unequal society in the industrialized world onto false categories such as race? For while nobody bitches about the ruling class, who are truly responsible for America's ills, your average working class white is sure to harbor many a racial prejudice.

Americans aren't any dumber than people of other nationalities. There's just a greater percentage of them who don't give a **** about anything outside of their immediate sphere of activity. It’s this mindboggling parochialism which engenders a situation where people without health insurance are happy to wave 6 by 4 flags from their ghetto houses and cry at football game flyovers (this is when warplanes show off the might of empire by flying over the field before the Star Spangled Banner is played—I kid you not). That these people can recollect off the top of their heads the batting averages of every Dodgers player in the last 40 years, but think that Europe is a country and England is near to Canada, is testament to misplaced intellect rather than lack thereof.

Like the Buffalo soldiers who fought in segregated companies in World War II, it’s so tragic to see Mexican families buy into the America dream so completely, when you hear privileged white students from the OC and Malibu joke about how they’d rather get a DUI than use the metro, “cause we speak English and that’s not our mode of transportation”. Many Latinos work 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks with no union benefits or respect, yet fly their flags, plaster “Support the Troops” and “Freedom isn’t Free” stickers on their banged up SUVs, enlist in the military at a rate greater than any other ethnic group, eat artery clogging fast food for every meal, and vote to take away the rights of other oppressed minorities (Prop 8).

It would be unfair to single out only the Mexicans for their apathy. College students, for the most part, are equally unconcerned. Why do so many Americans use TSR? Because a web forum where college-age students can intelligibly debate the issues of the day would never fly in the US. This is what they have in place of TSR: www.juicycampus.com

Oh, and did I mention it’s very religious? Go to pletyoffish.com . Look at, say, Birmingham, and do a random search for people. Chances are just about all of the people will have N/A or non-religious as their religious beliefs status. Now got to Birmingham, AL, and do a similar search. I predict you’ll get 70% Baptist the rest Methodist and Christian-Other. Okay, let’s try the most “liberated” place in America, San Francisco, CA and limit the search to Caucasians to avoid Latino and black piety skewing our results. Bet you still get 60% professing some kind of Christian—if not Protestant—belief. This is not a bad thing in itself. It just means that half of the population you wouldn’t really want to hang out with, since they’d try to convert you, for Americans don’t really go in for Episcopal “live and let live” type religiosity any more. It also means if you’re gay, you’ll end up either living in a homosexual ghetto like West Hollywood or the Castro, or having to hide your sexuality. Same if you’re a sexually liberated woman. Getting the reputation of a slut strikes fear into the heart of every freshman girl on even secular American campuses, and there are plenty of people there to brand you as such. And that binge drinking habit you’ve gotten into. That’s got to go, unless you become part of the Greek subculture. And carrying an open container gets you a $160 fine and a booking.

Whoever said America doesn’t have any culture is incorrect. It’s got fake tits, cars and TV. Only joking. North America has over 400 years of European history and the native narratives are incredibly interesting. Some of it is enlightened, some of it tragic, most of it hypocritical and its historiography shrouded in hyperbole, but it’s there nonetheless, and all educated people should study it. Trouble is, a lot of Americans (perhaps most) don’t give a damn, and this goes back to the apathy. We’re not talking here about the finer points of the incorporation of the Republic of California into the Union, which again, I think people living in this part of the world should know about to an extent. No. If I drove along Wilshire Blvd tomorrow and asked 20 people to recite five amendments of the Bill of Rights, I’d be lucky to find 10 who could. I bet I’d even find a few people who didn’t know what the Bill of Rights was. And that’s why Bush was able to ride roughshod over the people’s constitutional rights. How can they defend them when they don’t know what they are? What good is a rich history if it remains the preserve of rich people, who are the only ones who can afford a decent education and are the last to have their rights trammelled in any case?

America is a vast and fascinating country, and you need to go on a road trip from sea to shining sea to even begin to understand America as a literary, social, political and cultural phenomenon. And I thoroughly encourage all young thinking Brits to do so. Most of you will realize how lucky you are to have been born in the country you were, while the odd few might fall in love and immigrate. Good luck to them.

Some good things about California:

You can get any ethnic food you want at any time you want. Even the Indian food is as good as anything you’d get in Bradford.

People are often genuinely excited to talk to you, even if they’re not quite sure where you’re from.

You can surf in the morning on Venice Beach and ski in the afternoon at Big Bear.

People have a real sense of optimism here, even if they live in a slum neighbourhood and work long hours.

The diversity. Fewer than a quarter of California residents (including non-citizens) were born in state.

The most stunning coastal highway in the world.

Big British ex-pat community so you can watch the football in an authentic pub with Strongbow and Carling, wishing you were hadn’t been exiled.

OK
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Originally Posted by bret
I noticed a thread on immigrating to the US a couple of days ago, asking which was better, the UK or America. I can't find that thread, but here are my thoughts as someone who's lived and worked in California for two years.

I was sent into exile in California about two years ago, but am quitting my job here and moving back home, even if it means being the laughing stock among my friends and society. The reasons are myriad.

The US cannot compete with the UK with regards life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

For a start, the UK is a much freer society. One can speak the truth about politics (particularly America's role in the world and Israel) without being censured, even by supposed liberals, and we have a free press. Something like the Indy, or even the Guardian, could never be published in the US, since it falls outside of the mainstream. All US newspapers self-censor to avoid upsetting the military-industrial complex and establishment, apart from the neoconservative right, which can publish its racism and homophobia at will.

Civil liberties are virtually non-existent. The police and bureaucracy are so unwieldy that once you've been accused of a misdemeanor or infraction, there's no getting out of it. Get a parking ticket and you were within the lines? The people at the parking bureau can barely speak English and really can't be bothered. Want a driver's license? Wait 6 hours at the DMV. Walk across the street a few feet out of the designated crossing--a stern talking to by a cop in jackboots with a gun, and a $180 fine. And that's even if you're white.

There's no socioeconomic conflict here, as Bismark gloats, but is that a good thing? Is it a good thing that people transfer their frustrations of living in the most unfair, overworked, unmeritocratic and unequal society in the industrialized world onto false categories such as race? For while nobody bitches about the ruling class, who are truly responsible for America's ills, your average working class white is sure to harbor many a racial prejudice.

Americans aren't any dumber than people of other nationalities. There's just a greater percentage of them who don't give a **** about anything outside of their immediate sphere of activity. It’s this mindboggling parochialism which engenders a situation where people without health insurance are happy to wave 6 by 4 flags from their ghetto houses and cry at football game flyovers (this is when warplanes show off the might of empire by flying over the field before the Star Spangled Banner is played—I kid you not). That these people can recollect off the top of their heads the batting averages of every Dodgers player in the last 40 years, but think that Europe is a country and England is near to Canada, is testament to misplaced intellect rather than lack thereof.

Like the Buffalo soldiers who fought in segregated companies in World War II, it’s so tragic to see Mexican families buy into the America dream so completely, when you hear privileged white students from the OC and Malibu joke about how they’d rather get a DUI than use the metro, “cause we speak English and that’s not our mode of transportation”. Many Latinos work 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks with no union benefits or respect, yet fly their flags, plaster “Support the Troops” and “Freedom isn’t Free” stickers on their banged up SUVs, enlist in the military at a rate greater than any other ethnic group, eat artery clogging fast food for every meal, and vote to take away the rights of other oppressed minorities (Prop 8).

It would be unfair to single out only the Mexicans for their apathy. College students, for the most part, are equally unconcerned. Why do so many Americans use TSR? Because a web forum where college-age students can intelligibly debate the issues of the day would never fly in the US. This is what they have in place of TSR: www.juicycampus.com

Oh, and did I mention it’s very religious? Go to pletyoffish.com . Look at, say, Birmingham, and do a random search for people. Chances are just about all of the people will have N/A or non-religious as their religious beliefs status. Now got to Birmingham, AL, and do a similar search. I predict you’ll get 70% Baptist the rest Methodist and Christian-Other. Okay, let’s try the most “liberated” place in America, San Francisco, CA and limit the search to Caucasians to avoid Latino and black piety skewing our results. Bet you still get 60% professing some kind of Christian—if not Protestant—belief. This is not a bad thing in itself. It just means that half of the population you wouldn’t really want to hang out with, since they’d try to convert you, for Americans don’t really go in for Episcopal “live and let live” type religiosity any more. It also means if you’re gay, you’ll end up either living in a homosexual ghetto like West Hollywood or the Castro, or having to hide your sexuality. Same if you’re a sexually liberated woman. Getting the reputation of a slut strikes fear into the heart of every freshman girl on even secular American campuses, and there are plenty of people there to brand you as such. And that binge drinking habit you’ve gotten into. That’s got to go, unless you become part of the Greek subculture. And carrying an open container gets you a $160 fine and a booking.

Whoever said America doesn’t have any culture is incorrect. It’s got fake tits, cars and TV. Only joking. North America has over 400 years of European history and the native narratives are incredibly interesting. Some of it is enlightened, some of it tragic, most of it hypocritical and its historiography shrouded in hyperbole, but it’s there nonetheless, and all educated people should study it. Trouble is, a lot of Americans (perhaps most) don’t give a damn, and this goes back to the apathy. We’re not talking here about the finer points of the incorporation of the Republic of California into the Union, which again, I think people living in this part of the world should know about to an extent. No. If I drove along Wilshire Blvd tomorrow and asked 20 people to recite five amendments of the Bill of Rights, I’d be lucky to find 10 who could. I bet I’d even find a few people who didn’t know what the Bill of Rights was. And that’s why Bush was able to ride roughshod over the people’s constitutional rights. How can they defend them when they don’t know what they are? What good is a rich history if it remains the preserve of rich people, who are the only ones who can afford a decent education and are the last to have their rights trammelled in any case?

America is a vast and fascinating country, and you need to go on a road trip from sea to shining sea to even begin to understand America as a literary, social, political and cultural phenomenon. And I thoroughly encourage all young thinking Brits to do so. Most of you will realize how lucky you are to have been born in the country you were, while the odd few might fall in love and immigrate. Good luck to them.

Some good things about California:

You can get any ethnic food you want at any time you want. Even the Indian food is as good as anything you’d get in Bradford.

People are often genuinely excited to talk to you, even if they’re not quite sure where you’re from.

You can surf in the morning on Venice Beach and ski in the afternoon at Big Bear.

People have a real sense of optimism here, even if they live in a slum neighbourhood and work long hours.

The diversity. Fewer than a quarter of California residents (including non-citizens) were born in state.

The most stunning coastal highway in the world.

Big British ex-pat community so you can watch the football in an authentic pub with Strongbow and Carling, wishing you were hadn’t been exiled.

whatevs.
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LIked reading your views and an interesting read overall.

The people who said "OK" and "Whatevs" are just so funny dont you think?
 
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Good read, very well written too. I'm heading to the States this summer for a road trip, looking forward to it.
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Very interesting read.

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I enjoyed reading your post and it certainly presents a strong counter-view to the whole "American Dream" idea that many people seem to hold. I'm not convinced by your views on religion, however. I've never met any American who has tried to convert me.
 
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I enjoyed reading your post and it certainly presents a strong counter-view to the whole "American Dream" idea that many people seem to hold. I'm not convinced by your views on religion, however. I've never met any American who has tried to convert me.

That's probably because you met them in the UK. The 18% of Americans with passports are usually well-educated, secular and vote Democratic, hence the fact they seemed quite normal.
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Oh, so right- especially the free speech and apathy about the world outside of their hometown! When my Californian relatives come here to visit, they expect us to be a some sort of biscuit-box picture tourist attraction, and are always shocked by how much freer we are here.
 
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Good post. Reminded me of a couple articles by Jeremy Clarkson:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...icle681768.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...icle684953.ece

But it’s the idiocracy that really gets me down. The constant coaxing you have to do to get anything done. “No” is the default setting whether you want to change lanes on a motorway or get a drink on a Sunday. It’s like trying to negotiate with a donkey. Once, I urged a cop in Pensacola, Florida, to use his common sense and let me load a van in the no loading zone, since the airport was shut and it would make no difference. “Sir,” he said, “you don’t need common sense when you’ve got laws.”

That, I think, probably says it all.

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Good post. It's funny how some people think that the Californian lifestyle is purely beaches and partying when if you're living there it's a very different experience I would assume.

Legally, they are freer than we are though. Even after Bush's erosion of some civil liberties, their rights are still a lot more protected than ours. For instance, they can plead to the 5th amendment in court and not have it used against them, we can't, that was removed in 94.
 
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Default Re: Some critical thoughts on American life from a English gentleman
 
Originally Posted by bret
I noticed a thread on immigrating to the US a couple of days ago, asking which was better, the UK or America. I can't find that thread, but here are my thoughts as someone who's lived and worked in California for two years.

I was sent into exile in California about two years ago, but am quitting my job here and moving back home, even if it means being the laughing stock among my friends and society. The reasons are myriad.

The US cannot compete with the UK with regards life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

For a start, the UK is a much freer society. One can speak the truth about politics (particularly America's role in the world and Israel) without being censured, even by supposed liberals, and we have a free press. Something like the Indy, or even the Guardian, could never be published in the US, since it falls outside of the mainstream. All US newspapers self-censor to avoid upsetting the military-industrial complex and establishment, apart from the neoconservative right, which can publish its racism and homophobia at will.

Civil liberties are virtually non-existent. The police and bureaucracy are so unwieldy that once you've been accused of a misdemeanor or infraction, there's no getting out of it. Get a parking ticket and you were within the lines? The people at the parking bureau can barely speak English and really can't be bothered. Want a driver's license? Wait 6 hours at the DMV. Walk across the street a few feet out of the designated crossing--a stern talking to by a cop in jackboots with a gun, and a $180 fine. And that's even if you're white.

There's no socioeconomic conflict here, as Bismark gloats, but is that a good thing? Is it a good thing that people transfer their frustrations of living in the most unfair, overworked, unmeritocratic and unequal society in the industrialized world onto false categories such as race? For while nobody bitches about the ruling class, who are truly responsible for America's ills, your average working class white is sure to harbor many a racial prejudice.

Americans aren't any dumber than people of other nationalities. There's just a greater percentage of them who don't give a **** about anything outside of their immediate sphere of activity. It’s this mindboggling parochialism which engenders a situation where people without health insurance are happy to wave 6 by 4 flags from their ghetto houses and cry at football game flyovers (this is when warplanes show off the might of empire by flying over the field before the Star Spangled Banner is played—I kid you not). That these people can recollect off the top of their heads the batting averages of every Dodgers player in the last 40 years, but think that Europe is a country and England is near to Canada, is testament to misplaced intellect rather than lack thereof.

Like the Buffalo soldiers who fought in segregated companies in World War II, it’s so tragic to see Mexican families buy into the America dream so completely, when you hear privileged white students from the OC and Malibu joke about how they’d rather get a DUI than use the metro, “cause we speak English and that’s not our mode of transportation”. Many Latinos work 12 hour days, 60 hour weeks with no union benefits or respect, yet fly their flags, plaster “Support the Troops” and “Freedom isn’t Free” stickers on their banged up SUVs, enlist in the military at a rate greater than any other ethnic group, eat artery clogging fast food for every meal, and vote to take away the rights of other oppressed minorities (Prop 8).

It would be unfair to single out only the Mexicans for their apathy. College students, for the most part, are equally unconcerned. Why do so many Americans use TSR? Because a web forum where college-age students can intelligibly debate the issues of the day would never fly in the US. This is what they have in place of TSR: www.juicycampus.com

Oh, and did I mention it’s very religious? Go to pletyoffish.com . Look at, say, Birmingham, and do a random search for people. Chances are just about all of the people will have N/A or non-religious as their religious beliefs status. Now got to Birmingham, AL, and do a similar search. I predict you’ll get 70% Baptist the rest Methodist and Christian-Other. Okay, let’s try the most “liberated” place in America, San Francisco, CA and limit the search to Caucasians to avoid Latino and black piety skewing our results. Bet you still get 60% professing some kind of Christian—if not Protestant—belief. This is not a bad thing in itself. It just means that half of the population you wouldn’t really want to hang out with, since they’d try to convert you, for Americans don’t really go in for Episcopal “live and let live” type religiosity any more. It also means if you’re gay, you’ll end up either living in a homosexual ghetto like West Hollywood or the Castro, or having to hide your sexuality. Same if you’re a sexually liberated woman. Getting the reputation of a slut strikes fear into the heart of every freshman girl on even secular American campuses, and there are plenty of people there to brand you as such. And that binge drinking habit you’ve gotten into. That’s got to go, unless you become part of the Greek subculture. And carrying an open container gets you a $160 fine and a booking.

Whoever said America doesn’t have any culture is incorrect. It’s got fake tits, cars and TV. Only joking. North America has over 400 years of European history and the native narratives are incredibly interesting. Some of it is enlightened, some of it tragic, most of it hypocritical and its historiography shrouded in hyperbole, but it’s there nonetheless, and all educated people should study it. Trouble is, a lot of Americans (perhaps most) don’t give a damn, and this goes back to the apathy. We’re not talking here about the finer points of the incorporation of the California Republic into the Union, which again, I think people living in this part of the world should know about to an extent. No. If I drove along Wilshire Blvd tomorrow and asked 20 people to recite five amendments of the Bill of Rights, I’d be lucky to find 10 who could. I bet I’d even find a few people who didn’t know what the Bill of Rights was. And that’s why Bush was able to ride roughshod over the people’s constitutional rights. How can they defend them when they don’t know what they are? What good is a rich history if it remains the preserve of rich people, who are the only ones who can afford a decent education and are the last to have their rights trammelled in any case?

America is a vast and fascinating country, and you need to go on a road trip from sea to shining sea to even begin to understand America as a literary, social, political and cultural phenomenon. And I thoroughly encourage all young thinking Brits to do so. Most of you will realize how lucky you are to have been born in the country you were, while the odd few might fall in love and immigrate. Good luck to them.

Some good things about California:

You can get any ethnic food you want at any time you want. Even the Indian food is as good as anything you’d get in Bradford.

People are often genuinely excited to talk to you, even if they’re not quite sure where you’re from.

You can surf in the morning on Venice Beach and ski in the afternoon at Big Bear.

People have a real sense of optimism here, even if they live in a slum neighbourhood and work long hours.

The diversity. Fewer than a quarter of California residents (including non-citizens) were born in state.

The most stunning coastal highway in the world.

Big British ex-pat community so you can watch the football in an authentic pub with Strongbow and Carling, wishing you were hadn’t been exiled.
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Is that all you had to add?

And why?
 
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Good post, makes me proud to be British!

(but I did love San Fran ... just not to live maybe. I stayed with a family in pacific heights btw - you're right about food, as all the ethnic foods are incredible).
 
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