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http://www.timc.clara.net/raf.htm - Useful site for people interested in learning about/preparing for OASC at Cranwell.
NickNack
http://www.timc.clara.net/raf.htm - Useful site for people interested in learning about/preparing for OASC at Cranwell.
Tim's site is very good indeed.
Thanks to those who emailed me asking for advice; and massive apologies, but I've been away for a week and haven't been able to reply. Hopefully I can bash some out this weekend.
pilot
Age: 17.5–23
Pay: £28,500–£83,700
Gender: male or female
Rank: Officer
Minimum length of service: 12 years
Qualifications: 5 GCSEs/SCEs and 2 A-levels or 3 Highers or equivalent. GCSEs/SCEs at Grade C/3 minimum to include English language and maths
Nationality: citizen of the UK, the Commonwealth or the Republic of Ireland since birth
this is my nearest armed forces website for the raf but they dont reply [email protected]
Age: 17.5–23
Pay: £28,500–£83,700
Gender: male or female
Rank: Officer
Minimum length of service: 12 years
Qualifications: 5 GCSEs/SCEs and 2 A-levels or 3 Highers or equivalent. GCSEs/SCEs at Grade C/3 minimum to include English language and maths
Nationality: citizen of the UK, the Commonwealth or the Republic of Ireland since birth
this is my nearest armed forces website for the raf but they dont reply [email protected]
(1) can someone answer this please i want to become a pilot in the raf so I left school with crap grades and i am now 18 could i go to college and redo them again?
what is the maximin age to join?
thanks
lee
email me at [email protected]
why insnt no one answering me
what is the maximin age to join?
thanks
lee
email me at [email protected]
why insnt no one answering me
That guy asking about weight restrictions i have some info.
I had my filter interview at the AFCO about a month ago and got through but then they gave me a sheet and said i have to put on a stone cause im a skinny ****.
I quote
"The RAF OASC has been selecting potenial aircrew for over 60 years. The limits of body size we use ensure that, if selected, you can safely fly aircraft in the RAF. Ejection seats are designed to work to a set weight limit, therefore you could be under weight or over weight. (You will have to be 56.8 to 94kgs to go into training.)
If your upper legs are over a certain length then there is a risk of chopping them off if you eject!
Your reach must be long enough so that you can use all the controls in the aircraft."
Then there is a load of crap but then the heights:
I quote
"If you are between 172 and 188 (cm) then you have a good chance of fitting the RAF size requirements."
There ye go, hope that helps. And dont go slagging it off cause its an RAF Publication so im guessing its real...
Shen
I had my filter interview at the AFCO about a month ago and got through but then they gave me a sheet and said i have to put on a stone cause im a skinny ****.
I quote
"The RAF OASC has been selecting potenial aircrew for over 60 years. The limits of body size we use ensure that, if selected, you can safely fly aircraft in the RAF. Ejection seats are designed to work to a set weight limit, therefore you could be under weight or over weight. (You will have to be 56.8 to 94kgs to go into training.)
If your upper legs are over a certain length then there is a risk of chopping them off if you eject!
Your reach must be long enough so that you can use all the controls in the aircraft."
Then there is a load of crap but then the heights:
I quote
"If you are between 172 and 188 (cm) then you have a good chance of fitting the RAF size requirements."
There ye go, hope that helps. And dont go slagging it off cause its an RAF Publication so im guessing its real...
Shen
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At GCSE level it's essential to achieve grade c or above in duel science, english language and maths.
After GCSE's, go onto a-levels taking:
Physics
Maths
A gnvq in engineering would also be helpfull
After GCSE's, go onto a-levels taking:
Physics
Maths
A gnvq in engineering would also be helpfull
pilot
Age: 17.5–23
Pay: £28,500–£83,700
Gender: male or female
Rank: Officer
Minimum length of service: 12 years
Qualifications: 5 GCSEs/SCEs and 2 A-levels or 3 Highers or equivalent. GCSEs/SCEs at Grade C/3 minimum to include English language and maths
Nationality: citizen of the UK, the Commonwealth or the Republic of Ireland since birth
There we are; happily confirming that my ex-colleague with CCE A-levels and a handful of GCSEs is now a serving pilot.
The pay, however, is massively out of kilter; where did that come from? £28 500 isn't an officer pay rate at all. An Acting Pilot Officer kicks off on around £15k, a Pilot Officer at £19k, a Flying Officer at £23k and a Flight Lieutenant at £30k. The rank you start at depends on qualifications, specifically whether or not you have a degree, and what type of degree that is. Once you've been flying for approximately a year you'll get flying pay on top of regular pay which is around £3.6k on the initial rate, rising every 4 years. Your regular pay also rises every year, and your promotion to Flight Lieutenant is guaranteed, but how long it takes depends on qualifications. After that, promotion is on merit.
To earn £83k you have to be up at Air rank, which is not particularly common. Even then, the lowest Air rank only pays around £65k, and the flying pay rules once you're a senior officer work differently.
The pay, however, is massively out of kilter; where did that come from? £28 500 isn't an officer pay rate at all. An Acting Pilot Officer kicks off on around £15k, a Pilot Officer at £19k, a Flying Officer at £23k and a Flight Lieutenant at £30k. The rank you start at depends on qualifications, specifically whether or not you have a degree, and what type of degree that is. Once you've been flying for approximately a year you'll get flying pay on top of regular pay which is around £3.6k on the initial rate, rising every 4 years. Your regular pay also rises every year, and your promotion to Flight Lieutenant is guaranteed, but how long it takes depends on qualifications. After that, promotion is on merit.
To earn £83k you have to be up at Air rank, which is not particularly common. Even then, the lowest Air rank only pays around £65k, and the flying pay rules once you're a senior officer work differently.
Wzz
...The pay, however, is massively out of kilter; where did that come from? £28 500 isn't an officer pay rate at all...
On the RAF careers website it states that pilot pay is £28,500-£83,700. Also, on the officer Pay-package leaflet, it says After IOT, acting Pilot Officers get £17,900, Pilot officers £20,100 and flying officers £24,300-£26,800. Aircrew officers (pilots, navigators etc) then get an annual flying allowance of £4,200 - £13,400 on top of this.
Therefore, to get the £28,500 you have to be a Flying officer on minimum flying allowance of £4,200 and salary of £24,300
And to get the £83,700, you have to be a Group Captain on the highest salary of £70,300 + max annual flying allowance of £13,400. There are of course ranks, and thus pay, above this but no details. This is all as of 1st April 2003 - 31 March 2004. Granted though it does say there are different pay scales for some specialist officers, graduates and proffesionals. Not saying I have any experience here, I'm just repeating the raf's leaflet and website
NickNack
On the RAF careers website it states that pilot pay is £28,500-£83,700. Also, on the officer Pay-package leaflet, it says After IOT, acting Pilot Officers get £17,900, Pilot officers £20,100 and flying officers £24,300-£26,800. Aircrew officers (pilots, navigators etc) then get an annual flying allowance of £4,200 - £13,400 on top of this.
Therefore, to get the £28,500 you have to be a Flying officer on minimum flying allowance of £4,200 and salary of £24,300
And to get the £83,700, you have to be a Group Captain on the highest salary of £70,300 + max annual flying allowance of £13,400. There are of course ranks, and thus pay, above this but no details. This is all as of 1st April 2003 - 31 March 2004. Granted though it does say there are different pay scales for some specialist officers, graduates and proffesionals. Not saying I have any experience here, I'm just repeating the raf's leaflet and website
Therefore, to get the £28,500 you have to be a Flying officer on minimum flying allowance of £4,200 and salary of £24,300
And to get the £83,700, you have to be a Group Captain on the highest salary of £70,300 + max annual flying allowance of £13,400. There are of course ranks, and thus pay, above this but no details. This is all as of 1st April 2003 - 31 March 2004. Granted though it does say there are different pay scales for some specialist officers, graduates and proffesionals. Not saying I have any experience here, I'm just repeating the raf's leaflet and website
That's slightly out. As I said, flying pay doesn't begin until you've been flying for at least 2 years or so; 72 weeks training if you want to be precise. Officers of the rank of Wing Commander and above don't get flying pay on the usual initial/mid/upper/top rates, they receive a reduced senior officers' rate.
Also, the minimum quoted rate of £28 500 doesn't account for Acting Pilot Officers without flying pay; who can be on as little as £15k or thereabouts. To reach the £83k mark I think you're looking at being an AVM or something equally ridiculous.
I have applied for the Pilot Scholarship and chose the Short Service Commission.
I read earlier on this thread something about having to choose a permanent commission for the Pilot Scholarship - so why do they give a choice on the form?
Is this true? Will this work against me?
Can anyone shed some light on this please
Cheers,
I read earlier on this thread something about having to choose a permanent commission for the Pilot Scholarship - so why do they give a choice on the form?
Is this true? Will this work against me?
Can anyone shed some light on this please
Cheers,
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I have the intention of becoming an raf officer...preferably a pilot and then go on to fly commercially when im older. I am almost 15 and am only starting my GCSE's now. What are the main subjects required if i want to take this path...and what grades need to be achieved
hey. Also as a hopeful pilot myself, i am now sitting my highers (A levels) for the first time, after having successful standard grade (GCSE) results. I am also to attend an interview/ presentation tomorrow at an AFCO careers office at the hope of those nice people at the RAF granting me a sixth form sponsorship.
The subjects that are most sought after in a future officer are; 5 standard grades/ GCSE's, including Maths (min grade 3), English (min grade 3) and a science based subject (pref. physics)
Also required are at least 3 Highers/ A levels.
It seems that everyone wants to be a pilot these days, but hey someones got to do it. Hope this has helped.
I've got my Presentation at the AFCO next week. Just wondering if I need to preapre for it....i'm not getting an interview am I?? I know I have to hand in my application form but not much else. I don't want to turn up unprepared and make an arse of it!
Thanks anyone who can help
PS: Everyone seems to be applying to be a Pilot - how do they fill the other Officer posts?!!!
Thanks anyone who can help
PS: Everyone seems to be applying to be a Pilot - how do they fill the other Officer posts?!!!
icklecathy
I've got my Presentation at the AFCO next week. Just wondering if I need to preapre for it....i'm not getting an interview am I?? I know I have to hand in my application form but not much else. I don't want to turn up unprepared and make an arse of it!
Thanks anyone who can help
PS: Everyone seems to be applying to be a Pilot - how do they fill the other Officer posts?!!!
Thanks anyone who can help
PS: Everyone seems to be applying to be a Pilot - how do they fill the other Officer posts?!!!
No preperation needed except an extensive list of questions about what position you want. The most your gonna be asked is what your thinking of doing, its simply a get-to-know-the-raf meeting so you understand what your letting yourself in for.
As for filling the other posts, they do offer incentives. Eg, for sixth form sponsorship, pilots can 'only' get £1000 but the other positions get £2000. However they are after engineers and gunners/navigators especially atm. Some people though, like me, aren't trying to join the RAF just to be a pilot, more for the principle behind it, so if i was to fail the aptitude/medical for a pilot I'd try to carry on as an engineer. Obviously not everyone who wants to be a pilot can, anywhere. Its one of the most oversubscribed career with the military or commercially.
Cheers for that NickNack.
If you are going to Cranwell I might see you there!
If you are going to Cranwell I might see you there!
Unregistered
Hi everyone,
I'm 18 at the moment. I attended OASC last august and was awarded the pilot scholarship, which is direct entry as a pilot on a permanent commission (until im 38), plus £1000 for my upper sixth year, and a reserved place on the 'In-service' degree scheme (several years down the line i do an OU degree, paid for by the RAF, of course). Out of 277 pilot applicants only 2 of us were chosen, so listen in!
Go to RAF careers website, click on missions, then old missions. These are jazzed up versions of the 1st half hour of the aptitude tests. Practice these every day.
I recommend playing on a flight sim a much as you can, these will hone any innate ability you may (or may not) have. Knowing how an aircraft instrument panel looks will help loads.
Learn to do mental arithmetic almost subconsciously, by practice! You will have to do sums whilst doing a memory task and a vigilance task.
Get an IQ-type-test book. improve your problem solving abilities. Know how to read and estimate compass bearings, and how to read figures from charts and tables very rapidly.
About 40 candidates were at breakfast on my OASC course the 1st morning, after the first 5 hours (the aptitude test) all but 11 of us were on the bus back to grantham station! its pretty ruthless.
The rest of the day is medical tests (not a lot you can change there, but ensure you are roughly the right weight for your height and frame).
More medical checks the next day, and an INTERVIEW!!
Know everything about raf equipment, bases and operations overseas. Know current affairs, recent military campaigns (of any country), domestic affairs, cultural issues, political issues. Know sincerely why you want to join the RAF. Learn how to carry yourself in an i/v (posture, body language, eye contact). You'll have 20 minutes to answer questions about yourself, so sell yourself! The interview is blag-proof, be direct, confident and concise!
The fitness test is 20 metre shuttle runs (bleep test) which is hard as it is a maximal test. Train like a soldier for this, an run till your hanging out of your arse! Good fitness shows dedication and a mature approach to your application as a military officer.
In the leadership tasks have plenty of confidence and drive, get involved and dont be afraid to be vocal. What use is an idea if you keep it to yourself?
The planning task is all about good arithmetic (speed/distance/time) and speedy thought and accurate calculations. Dont let them rip your plan to shreds, they will try!
If you are successful at this stage, give yourself a pat on the back. They will, however, recall you after a period of time for more in depth medical checks.
Oh and by the way, you need 5 GCSE's and 2 A levels at the very least. A Good CV goes a long way. You cannot wear glasses, have asthma, hayfever, epilepsy, migraines or be outside weight and height limits.
Best of luck to anyone who tries OASC for entry as a pilot, its damn selective!
I hope this advice helps,
Godspeed!
I'm 18 at the moment. I attended OASC last august and was awarded the pilot scholarship, which is direct entry as a pilot on a permanent commission (until im 38), plus £1000 for my upper sixth year, and a reserved place on the 'In-service' degree scheme (several years down the line i do an OU degree, paid for by the RAF, of course). Out of 277 pilot applicants only 2 of us were chosen, so listen in!
Go to RAF careers website, click on missions, then old missions. These are jazzed up versions of the 1st half hour of the aptitude tests. Practice these every day.
I recommend playing on a flight sim a much as you can, these will hone any innate ability you may (or may not) have. Knowing how an aircraft instrument panel looks will help loads.
Learn to do mental arithmetic almost subconsciously, by practice! You will have to do sums whilst doing a memory task and a vigilance task.
Get an IQ-type-test book. improve your problem solving abilities. Know how to read and estimate compass bearings, and how to read figures from charts and tables very rapidly.
About 40 candidates were at breakfast on my OASC course the 1st morning, after the first 5 hours (the aptitude test) all but 11 of us were on the bus back to grantham station! its pretty ruthless.
The rest of the day is medical tests (not a lot you can change there, but ensure you are roughly the right weight for your height and frame).
More medical checks the next day, and an INTERVIEW!!
Know everything about raf equipment, bases and operations overseas. Know current affairs, recent military campaigns (of any country), domestic affairs, cultural issues, political issues. Know sincerely why you want to join the RAF. Learn how to carry yourself in an i/v (posture, body language, eye contact). You'll have 20 minutes to answer questions about yourself, so sell yourself! The interview is blag-proof, be direct, confident and concise!
The fitness test is 20 metre shuttle runs (bleep test) which is hard as it is a maximal test. Train like a soldier for this, an run till your hanging out of your arse! Good fitness shows dedication and a mature approach to your application as a military officer.
In the leadership tasks have plenty of confidence and drive, get involved and dont be afraid to be vocal. What use is an idea if you keep it to yourself?
The planning task is all about good arithmetic (speed/distance/time) and speedy thought and accurate calculations. Dont let them rip your plan to shreds, they will try!
If you are successful at this stage, give yourself a pat on the back. They will, however, recall you after a period of time for more in depth medical checks.
Oh and by the way, you need 5 GCSE's and 2 A levels at the very least. A Good CV goes a long way. You cannot wear glasses, have asthma, hayfever, epilepsy, migraines or be outside weight and height limits.
Best of luck to anyone who tries OASC for entry as a pilot, its damn selective!
I hope this advice helps,
Godspeed!
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