Has Islam became the new Communism?
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?They didn't. Both Freedom House and The Economist's Democracy Index have classified Iran as not free and undemocratic. The Economist put Iran as 145th/167 countries in terms of democracy, and classified it as an "authoritarian state". Aside from the Iranian government, nobody else in the world would call Iran a democracy.(Original post by style)
dont take it up with me, take it up with which ever international board or whatever that catogrised it as such -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?I said it was an Islamic democracy, which is different, its not an actual democracy, which is why i didnt list it with the other muslim majority county's which i said were democratic.(Original post by Democracy)
They didn't. Both Freedom House and The Economist's Democracy Index have classified Iran as not free and undemocratic. The Economist put Iran as 145th/167 countries in terms of democracy, and classified it as an "authoritarian state". Aside from the Iranian government, nobody else in the world would call Iran a democracy. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?I'm rather perplexed as to why it's called democracy at all, in that case, seeing as it doesn't resemble it in the slightest. You're either democratic or you're not, I think notions of "Islamic democracy" are just a Muslim fanatic's way of making their authoritarianism more acceptable by pinning it on cultural relativism.(Original post by style)
I said it was an Islamic democracy, which is different, its not an actual democracy, which is why i didnt list it with the other muslim majority county's which i said were democratic. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to 'Democracy' (the Iranian member), not you.(Original post by style)
Islamic democracy is the term used, not democracy.
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?Russia is on the same level as China according to Freedom House...very broad categories...hence, ******* useless.(Original post by Democracy)
They didn't. Both Freedom House and The Economist's Democracy Index have classified Iran as not free and undemocratic. The Economist put Iran as 145th/167 countries in terms of democracy, and classified it as an "authoritarian state". Aside from the Iranian government, nobody else in the world would call Iran a democracy. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?That doesn't make what they say about Iran untrue though.(Original post by UGeNe)
Russia is on the same level as China according to Freedom House...very broad categories...hence, ******* useless. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?Wouldn't an Islamic democracy be a country where free and fair elections are held - but an Islamic party currently rules and has chosen to incorporate Islamic principles in the formulation of laws and society?(Original post by style)
I said it was an Islamic democracy, which is different, its not an actual democracy, which is why i didnt list it with the other muslim majority county's which i said were democratic. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?google it, its only a term.(Original post by Gaishan)
Wouldn't an Islamic democracy be a country where free and fair elections are held - but an Islamic party currently rules and has chosen to incorporate Islamic principles in the formulation of laws and society? -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?This is what I got from wiki:(Original post by style)
google it, its only a term.
Wiki seems to suggest that an Islamic democracy still needs to meet the definition of a democracy in the general sense. Iran doesn't seem to with it's restrictions on parties etc.(Original post by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_democracy)
Known as Islamic democracy, two kinds of democratic states can be recognized in the Islamic countries. The basis of this distinction has to do with how comprehensively Islam is incorporated into the affairs of the state.[1]
A democratic state which recognizes Islam as state religion, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Algeria or Bangladesh. Some religious values are incorporated into public life, but Islam is not the only source of law.
A democratic state which endeavours to institute Sharia. It is also called as Islamist democracy.[1] Islamist democracy offers more comprehensive inclusion of Islam into the affairs of the state. Islamist democracy is a highly controversial topic.
[And regarding Iran...]
Other maintain that not only is the Islamic Republic of Iran undemocratic (see Politics of Iran) but that Khomeini himself opposed the principle of democracy in his book Hokumat-e Islami: Wilayat al-Faqih, where he denied the need for any legislative body saying, "no one has the right to legislate ... except ... the Divine Legislator", and during the Islamic Revolution, when he told Iranians, "Do not use this term, 'democratic.' That is the Western style."[35] (Although it is in contrast with his commandment to Bazargan (see Iranian Revolution). It is a subject of lively debate among pro-Islamic Iranian intelligentsia. Also they maintain that Iran's sharia courts, the Islamic Revolutionary Court, blasphemy laws of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Mutaween (religious police) violate the principles of democratic governance.[36] However, it should be understood that when a democracy is accepted to be Islamic by people, the law of Islam becomes the democratically ratified law of that country. Iranians have ratified the constitution in which the principle rules are explictly mentioned as the rules of Islam to which other rules should conform.Last edited by Gaishan; 26-04-2009 at 17:30. -
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Re: Has Islam became the new Communism?I agree with you, I think we should first look into Islam, Its totally wrong if we believe on such person claiming Muslim and behaving against Islamic teachings....(Original post by maths-enthusiast)
I thought Communism was opposed to religion; how can Islam or any other religion 'become' the 'new' Communism then?
