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Help and advice for law applicants 05/06
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ashleaka
In London in particular this really does apply...I have friends who did Law and a Language at UCL, had all As at A level and got a first who are now having to take the Paralegal route because they didn't get a TC in London.
In London in particular this really does apply...I have friends who did Law and a Language at UCL, had all As at A level and got a first who are now having to take the Paralegal route because they didn't get a TC in London.
I thoroughly abhor people suffering from the painfully annoying syndrome of unconditionally questioning other people's statements, but, in your case, I can't help but utter (in all possible candour) the following: "*******s".
Once again generalisations are weapons that should be used with careful parsimony, but there is NO WAY that someone who graduated from UCL with a first would encounter difficulties in obtaining a training contract from a Magic Circle firm, let alone the remaining plethora of city institutions. Well, that is unless he/she is a complete dolt, pounded by the gargantuan pressure of remembering his name at the interview and guilty of the unpardonable sin of saying “I look forward to your reply Mr. Clifford Chance” to an Allen & Overy recruitment partner.
Approximately, and please do correct me if my figures are wrong, firsts are awarded to 5-14 % of students. Also, UCL is widely regarded to be a reputable faculty and is heavily targeted by all permutations of City Law Firm LLP. If a first from UCL doesn’t get you through the door then, my friend, we all (or at least 98% of us) made the somewhat calamitous mistake of choosing the wrong profession.
Can we get back to giving advice to law applicants please?!
Most people claim Law is boring because it has a lot of reading to do, (you practicaly will live in the library)
Im doing Law at QMUL this autumn, but i like reading!
Im doing Law at QMUL this autumn, but i like reading!
i hate reading but am willing to do it because i seem to love arguing and debating..
for people who want to do law....try and get work experience from all sectors of the law..i think that helped me with LSE.....hvaing work exp (week each) from a solicitors, barristers and at the crown court helping the offices out....it shows you've experienced all sectors of the law and therefore shows the universities you are equipped to study law and have an interest in it
for people who want to do law....try and get work experience from all sectors of the law..i think that helped me with LSE.....hvaing work exp (week each) from a solicitors, barristers and at the crown court helping the offices out....it shows you've experienced all sectors of the law and therefore shows the universities you are equipped to study law and have an interest in it
Phonicsdude
Can we get back to giving advice to law applicants please?!
Methinks these discussions do give potential applicants interesting insights (if you can really call them such) into the realities (once again, if you can really call them such) of doing a law degree, pursuing a legal profession etc. As I'm sure you are aware, in order for something to be helpful it doesn't necessarily have to be preceded by the dreary prefix "I advice...".
THE UNDERDOG
Most people claim Law is boring because it has a lot of reading to do, (you practicaly will live in the library)
Im doing Law at QMUL this autumn, but i like reading!
Im doing Law at QMUL this autumn, but i like reading!
If that's what you benefit from. Personally I can't stand working long hours in a library. I'll go there to get material but I'd rather do most of my work in an atmosphere where I feel more comfortable
same here actually, I was suprised that in the times they published figures indicating that only 77 or so % of people who do law degrees dont go into the legal professions! what are the other options people can go into? even better...what other professions do most law grads choose apart from law?
A law degree is hard currency in the city.
Accounting, politics, journalism...ANYTHING that doesnt require specialist skills (e.g. docter)
Accounting, politics, journalism...ANYTHING that doesnt require specialist skills (e.g. docter)
I was warned that top law unis would not accept art as a valid "academic" subject. So although I had 100% at gcse and almost the same at AS level I decided to take 4 A 2s just in case.....must have worked Bristol loved me!!!!! I believe Kings actually says in the prospectus that it does not count art.( Had to do it in my own time and it nearly killed me).
fire
I was warned that top law unis would not accept art as a valid "academic" subject. So although I had 100% at gcse and almost the same at AS level I decided to take 4 A 2s just in case.....must have worked Bristol loved me!!!!! I believe Kings actually says in the prospectus that it does not count art.( Had to do it in my own time and it nearly killed me).
How mean! Manchester didn't like my music technology
That was frustrating. I'd like to see their admissions tutor get an A in it 
I was merely offering advice and genuine experience.
I know plenty of perfectly eloquent, top uni grads with amazing grades and great work experience who don't get in. It's a numbers game. There are literally scores of grads with 3+ As and a top class degree desperate to work in London, Magic Circle or not, who get nothing because they refuse to lower their standards.
True, they can fund themseves, and yes, that's why people do go the paralegal route. Even getting a paalegal job at somewhere like Ecersheds is not easy to achieve. Or, they can apply to lesser firms but choose not to .
Anyway, take my post as advice or disregard it, I just offer it in case people are interested in how grads from top unis actually fare.
Thought it would be a realistic insight.
That said plenty do get top jobs, do work where they want immediately etc.
I wanted to show how a top uni isn't always everything either.
I know plenty of perfectly eloquent, top uni grads with amazing grades and great work experience who don't get in. It's a numbers game. There are literally scores of grads with 3+ As and a top class degree desperate to work in London, Magic Circle or not, who get nothing because they refuse to lower their standards.
True, they can fund themseves, and yes, that's why people do go the paralegal route. Even getting a paalegal job at somewhere like Ecersheds is not easy to achieve. Or, they can apply to lesser firms but choose not to .
Anyway, take my post as advice or disregard it, I just offer it in case people are interested in how grads from top unis actually fare.
Thought it would be a realistic insight.
That said plenty do get top jobs, do work where they want immediately etc.
I wanted to show how a top uni isn't always everything either.
fire
I was warned that top law unis would not accept art as a valid "academic" subject. So although I had 100% at gcse and almost the same at AS level I decided to take 4 A 2s just in case.....must have worked Bristol loved me!!!!! I believe Kings actually says in the prospectus that it does not count art.( Had to do it in my own time and it nearly killed me).
Just so as not to confuse people...this may be the case for some unis...it is best to check their prospectus, but Oxford most definitely DOES accept art, as a girl who applied to Wadham (the same one I applied to) was accepted (AAB) to do Law starting next year, and one of her Alevels is Art.
Perhaps you could enlightn me/others as to what "paralegal" work is, Ashleaka (sp?)
Not at all. Although would you still get into Nottingham with AAC?
No, I believe the intentions of the above poster was merely to say that firms DO look at your A level results, and they can occasionally be the decider between scores of identical candidates, HOWEVER your degree classification is far more important.
Getting a first from ANY uni will guarantee you a TC (rah rah rah to anyone who says otherwise). Getting a first from an institution as prestigious as Nottingham will give you the choice of a few MC firms...
No, I believe the intentions of the above poster was merely to say that firms DO look at your A level results, and they can occasionally be the decider between scores of identical candidates, HOWEVER your degree classification is far more important.
Getting a first from ANY uni will guarantee you a TC (rah rah rah to anyone who says otherwise). Getting a first from an institution as prestigious as Nottingham will give you the choice of a few MC firms...
An excellent post from another thread detailing the pressures of a law degree. It doesnt emphasise the positive aspects of a law degree enough, but is nonetheless an excellent piece by which to judge your commitment..
Phonicsdude
Not at all. Although would you still get into Nottingham with AAC?
No, I believe the intentions of the above poster was merely to say that firms DO look at your A level results, and they can occasionally be the decider between scores of identical candidates, HOWEVER your degree classification is far more important.
Getting a first from ANY uni will guarantee you a TC (rah rah rah to anyone who says otherwise). Getting a first from an institution as prestigious as Nottingham will give you the choice of a few MC firms...
No, I believe the intentions of the above poster was merely to say that firms DO look at your A level results, and they can occasionally be the decider between scores of identical candidates, HOWEVER your degree classification is far more important.
Getting a first from ANY uni will guarantee you a TC (rah rah rah to anyone who says otherwise). Getting a first from an institution as prestigious as Nottingham will give you the choice of a few MC firms...
I did get into Nottingham with AAC, with an unconditional offer. I'm planning to read Law at Notts next year... It was a particular difficult year for the GCE Singapore-Cambridge A-Level Economics paper during my year. V v few people actually managed to get an A in Econs for that year in my college. That was the subject I ended up getting a C for, though my Econs teacher was predicting that I would get an A... Grr..
Onearmedbandit
If that's what you benefit from. Personally I can't stand working long hours in a library. I'll go there to get material but I'd rather do most of my work in an atmosphere where I feel more comfortable
But you wont be able to take all the books out with you... in fact, you'll be able to take relatively little out with you! Fact is.. most law students I've spoke to end up spending a considerable amount of time in the library and I think its impossible to avoid.
Sleep
Where do you all go to get work experience? Contact firms directly? I need some but other than a silly one organised by the school after my GCSEs I cant seem to work out where to obtain them?
Comtact firms directly with a nice letter and a CV.
Send off to ALL the firms you would reasonably like to/could go to. Most will reject you...
tomcoolinguk
But you wont be able to take all the books out with you... in fact, you'll be able to take relatively little out with you! Fact is.. most law students I've spoke to end up spending a considerable amount of time in the library and I think its impossible to avoid.
Not necessarily. You can take lots of books out, and you can find plenty on the internet if you go to the right sites.
Maybe in the 2nd & 3rd year I'll use the library more but from what I gathered at the open day the 1st years don't really need to use it that much.
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