(Original post by jacketpotato)
As for the accusation of using straw-men, I feel that I have responded directly to points you have raised. If you disagree or if I have misinterpreted anything, please point out where.
1) Regarding the WHO statistics
"Then ******* stop being such a lazy ass and look up the 2008 statistic for ***** sake"
The link you provided said "The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.". These statistics are utterly unreliable: http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...nt/20/3/10.pdf
So, where are these mythical statistics?
2) Regarding your conceptions of the US healthcare system
You said "purely private". Utterly, utterly false given that government funded programs cover 30% of the population. The real issue with the US healthcare system is the way in which the market for insurance works and the way in which prices are bumped up by employers being forced to buy it. Its not a problem with it being private per se
As for the value for money issue, remember that 1) the US spends 3 times per capita on R&D which is exported for profit to the rest of the world, 2) 5% of the population fund over 50% of the healthcare spending: http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...bstract/20/2/9
3) Personal responsibility
You haven't addressed the points I made re: personal responsibility above.
4) Regarding the NHS
You must be living in a fantasy world if you are not aware of the waste in the NHS. And no, you can't blame this one on the Tories, though they are undoubtedly to blame for some things.
Quite how a £12.7bn computer system (half the defence budget), that was widely condemned as being doomed from the start and which the government was advised against, is efficient spending is beyond me.
And note the massive increase in mid-level NHS management. Quite why you think the Guardian is a right-wing source (and why you are prepared to ignore facts/arguments based on source) is beyond me.