Religious People: Do you believe atheists will go to hell?

In China, different religions can co-exist, the west can never achieve this point.
This is the dross in your culture.

I talked to an evangelical Christian friends of mine about this, except it wasn't specific to athiests..

Considering the fact that you practically got rid of religion I'm not sure your in a position to judge atm, since it's not long since you could express religions that openly. But if you ask me the only reason religion can exist side by side in the East is because, they are generally non combative, I mean Taoists and Buddhists aren't exactly likely to kick off. Or for example Muslims and Budhists. Stick a load of Christians in close proximity to a nation of Muslims or Hindus though and it'll kick off soon enough, trust me. Put some Jews near the Muslims and well fireworks baby . Some would claim the dross in society is religion itself as well. and that the only way it can co-exist peacefully is to do the communist thing and restrict it or destroy it entirely. I disagree just make sure it has no power over anything but spiritual matters and you should be fine. Restricting religion completely is much worse than the alternative, it just gets bitter and separatist.

You were brainwashed by your government, in my country, there're mainly 5 religions, Christianism (my grandmum is a Christian), Islam, Buddhism, Daoism and even Confucianism.
In China there're three kinds of harmony, Daoism, the harmony with the nature, Confucianism, the harmony with the society, Zen, the harmony with oneself.

Saying that Chinese government oppresses the religious freedom is nonsense, the fact is the western culture is too tiny, but the characteristic of our culture is we can accept different things and co-exist with them, but you can't!

You were brainwashed by your government, in my country, there're mainly 5 religions, Christianism (my grandmum is a Christian), Islam, Buddhism, Daoism and even Confucianism.
In China there're three kinds of harmony, Daoism, the harmony with the nature, Confucianism, the harmony with the society, Zen, the harmony with oneself.

Saying that Chinese government oppresses the religious freedom is nonsense, the fact is the western culture is too tiny, but the characteristic of our culture is we can accept different things and co-exist with them, but you can't!

Me brainwashed. I can vote for more than one party!

In a country where the government controls if not inhibits all forms of free expression, it's probably not a good idea to accuse liberal countries of being brainwashed. I've met plenty of Russians who thought Stalin was a God and a merciful and great man, having never heard about the ~3-16 million people who died under his rule. You may have religious freedom now, and more Western values, but I'd be wary of mocking that which is spoon fed to you by a government who has 100% control practically over nearly everything you see in the media. Ask yourself are you getting the full story? Because I don't trust my news media and it is at least free of control...

I did say that's why China is ok, it's religions are not mutually exclusive enough and it's population too diverse to really have direct conflict. It's not a good idea to compare Europe though it's an unfair comparison.

you might be surprised at what is going on in the real world, when you finally do get democracy as well.

But please explain to me why he would send you to heaven when the only thing he told you to do, believe in him and be obedient to him, wasn't done?? Why would you expect that he will let you go to heaven if you don't even give him the benefit of the doubt that he is, in fact, your creator?

Guy, I do not want to give a lecture on democracy, general election doesn't mean democracy, every western country is controlled by macro-corporations and big families, but not the people, have you seen the protest and demonstration on your streets? Why? Why several years ago, there's no so severe demonstration?
The cheap products from the developing countries make the ordinary westerner blind to their problems.
It's naive to think the west is democratic.
I don't want to give your a lecture on that, it costs too much time.

It's your choice to think your media system is free, the fact is I have free acess to the western media, I saw most of your reports are biased with fake photos, you live in this environment, so you will not be aware of that.

The west is absolutely undemocratic, I can tell you, the so called western-style democracy is just the tool of your politicians to fool you people.
My words might not be powerful, only when you confront more and more financial crisis, you will understand my words.

From this post, I must conclude that you're a ********-talking know-nothing. There's not a single coherent point in there.

From this post, I must conclude that you're a ********-talking know-nothing. There's not a single coherent point in there.

Guy, I do not want to give a lecture on democracy, general election doesn't mean democracy, every western country is controlled by macro-corporations and big families, but not the people, have you seen the protest and demonstration on your streets? Why? Why several years ago, there's no so severe demonstration?
The cheap products from the developing countries make the ordinary westerner blind to their problems.
It's naive to think the west is democratic.
I don't want to give your a lecture on that, it costs too much time.

Nice post.. SO true.

It's naive to think that communist China is more democratic and free. And you accuse me of being brainwashed?



I said I don't trust my media, already. How can you trust yours though, I mean it doesn't even hide the fact that it is feeding you only what it wants you to hear?



Lol I'd take that a lot more seriously if I wasn't likely to be run over by tanks for protesting against the government. Free protest, free voting, freedom to leave the country, freedom of religious expression, freedom of the press to print anything at all, freedom of industry (which you call corporate control). you do know that a company cannot publicly or privately fund any law or campaign in government, and any sign of bribery means dismissal from government. I think you are thinking of the US where the whole system is funded by business. General in the more socialist Europe business has a great deal less input.

One party system has nothing wrong, the fact is we have 9 parties, 8 minor party and one ruling party.
The compitition also exists in our system, everyone can apply for the membership of CCP, everyone has the chance to compete for higher position.
Our system assures the unity of our country and also doesn't neglect the supervision. That's why we achieved a lot in the last 3 decades, thought that's not enough.

Well to be honest I don't know where to start with how wrong a one party system is. But let's face it a history lesson into Chinese communism is a good start. Let's face it millions of people don't tend to die of starvation under Western systems. That said like you I don't have the ink to teach you what democracy really means. Suffice to say if you think it's all pulling in the same direction you are wrong. Diversity is strength in any system that isn't doomed to fail.

I can have 100 children, vote every 4 years or not for whomever I think is best to rule the country, get rid of governments that suck by the same means. You however are lumbered if your government is particularly poor. And let's face it the reason you are doing better now is you have embraced Western capitalism, given out more freedoms and unrestricted expression to some extent. So how you can blame the medicine (Western liberalism) that is effecting your increase in wealth, I don't know.

I'm European, no one is allowed to finance our ministers, they can't even sponsor companies or do anything involved directly with promoting business. Your attacking the US and I agree their system is far to influenced by business. But even so it's better than Chinas.

Well it's a good job we elect each member of our parliament by way of local elections as well then. You then get a change of membership of the whole of parliament in every period of voting. And you still get two parties able to block a bad governments bad policies. Unlike in communism where you are given free reign.

No offence but you really need to study modern political systems a great dea more before you are able to compare and contrast.

The antithesis of democracy to me is proselytising or as you put it propagandising. There is no democracy without the right to self determination and I have no interest in telling another country how to run itself. I can however see what is a better form of government. The funny thing is you are moving ever more towards a Western style government, and at the same time bitterly denouncing it, even though it has brought you prosperity? I find that ironic to say the least...