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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsthe visibility cleared when the spray dropped. if you started them again, the spray would be back.(Original post by doggyfizzel)
I totally agree with the race being called off due to rain, although I think they could have got it started again. As for the visibility I think that was complete and utter crap, sure when they red flagged it, it was bad, but shortly after it was fine. If the TV camera can see to the end of the straight so can the drivers .
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsI don't see a reason to lie about it, camera technology is extremely good these days and it's not true that the human eye is better. Take cricket as an example where the light can appear a lot worse in reality than it does on camera. There's also the issue in rain that the camera position is usually such that it is elevated and therefore is looking through the rain rather than into it.(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Thats why I just said I think it was crap. In terms of physics here how can one person see from a set position and another can't when they have more or less the same visual abilities, if anything, in all my experiences, cameras usually struggle more than a human eye. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsThis (below)(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Thats why I just said I think it was crap. In terms of physics here how can one person see from a set position and another can't when they have more or less the same visual abilities, if anything, in all my experiences, cameras usually struggle more than a human eye.
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I don't see a reason to lie about it, camera technology is extremely good these days and it's not true that the human eye is better. Take cricket as an example where the light can appear a lot worse in reality than it does on camera. There's also the issue in rain that the camera position is usually such that it is elevated and therefore is looking through the rain rather than into it. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsWell, I have an extraordinarly bad memory and can't remember these things. But in the last five or so years I have on several occasions thought they've brought the SC out too easily.(Original post by F1 fanatic)
Ok, provide other examples of where they have been overly cautious. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsYeesh that is pretty dark, but looks like it has no flash in the pictures. Driving in that though is ridiculous, and the time should be changed for the next malaysian grand prix for sure.(Original post by Untitled258)
Looks pretty dark and not particularly safe to me, the first one was taken before the rain had even started -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsHow convenient(Original post by Barny)
Well, I have an extraordinarly bad memory and can't remember these things. But in the last five or so years I have on several occasions thought they've brought the SC out too easily.
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsDoes that matter?(Original post by Gaara.)
Yeesh that is pretty dark, but looks like it has no flash in the pictures. Driving in that though is ridiculous, and the time should be changed for the next malaysian grand prix for sure.
Its not like the cars are driving around with the a flash on. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsNot really but I get pictures like that in broad daylight with my camera sometimes.(Original post by Untitled258)
Does that matter?
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsGood point, I think Stevo had it though about the spray.(Original post by F1 fanatic)
I don't see a reason to lie about it, camera technology is extremely good these days and it's not true that the human eye is better. Take cricket as an example where the light can appear a lot worse in reality than it does on camera. There's also the issue in rain that the camera position is usually such that it is elevated and therefore is looking through the rain rather than into it.
Why on earth did they start it at 5pm then? Surley they should allow for the 2 hour window, knowing they would have enough light to carry out a full race? -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsWell I do, I can't even remember what years Alonso won the championship and that's fairly recent. I've seen the British Grand Prix 5 times, but if you asked me what years I went I couldn't tell you. I just have a terrible memory, though I can understand from your point of view that it might seem it's because I'm making it up, I can assure you that's not the case. This of course is just IMO, others might feel that the SC was fully justified in the cases I'm thinking of, but I just think they're a bit too quick to bring it out in most cases.(Original post by Champagne Supernova)
How convenient
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsFor better viewing figures in Europe.(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Good point, I think Stevo had it though about the spray.
Why on earth did they start it at 5pm then? Surley they should allow for the 2 hour window, knowing they would have enough light to carry out a full race?
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsDon't worry, I was saying it in jest(Original post by Barny)
Well I do, I can't even remember what years Alonso won the championship and that's fairly recent. I've seen the British Grand Prix 5 times, but if you asked me what years I went I couldn't tell you. I just have a terrible memory, though I can understand from your point of view that it might seem it's because I'm making it up, I can assure you that's not the case. This of course is just IMO, others might feel that the SC was fully justified in the cases I'm thinking of, but I just think they're a bit too quick to bring it out in most cases.
But, I'm sure there will be some cases where I'll agree with you regarding the SC coming out rather pointlessly, but today won't be a day where we agree
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsI think it's probably pretty dark, I don't think they're making that up. When you watch wimbledon at 8pm for example and the players are saying they can't even see the ball, you wonder what they're going on about because it looks just fine on the camera.(Original post by Gaara.)
Yeesh that is pretty dark, but looks like it has no flash in the pictures. Driving in that though is ridiculous, and the time should be changed for the next malaysian grand prix for sure. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsIt's daft really because had it been at it's normal time it still wouldn't have been significantly different to Oz last weekend. If it hadn't rained then I don't think light would have been an issue, but obviously someone forgot about the characteristics of a tropical climate.(Original post by Champagne Supernova)
For better viewing figures in Europe.
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsExactly if they had started at 9 or even half 8 people would still got up to watch. I'm sure they got less viewers when half of them turned on to see the cars sitting on the grid, doing nothing.(Original post by F1 fanatic)
It's daft really because had it been at it's normal time it still wouldn't have been significantly different to Oz last weekend. If it hadn't rained then I don't think light would have been an issue, but obviously someone forgot about the characteristics of a tropical climate. -
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsI agree with the SC to a certain extent, but I don't agree with the red flagging. My issue with the SC today was that they brought it out after just one lap of torrential rain. They didn't even give it a chance to see if people would be able to cope. Of course cars were going off at a rate of knots, but they always do when it STARTS raining, eventually they tend to be able to get the hang of it though, but today it was a case of the drivers throwing a hissy fit on the radios (as they always do) and the commentators getting a bit carried away and immediately the race director succumbs to peer pressure! Give it a chance at least!(Original post by Champagne Supernova)
Don't worry, I was saying it in jest
But, I'm sure there will be some cases where I'll agree with you regarding the SC coming out rather pointlessly, but today won't be a day where we agree
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Re: Overly catious in wet conditionsYes, exactly. It's also as if the people who made that decision forgot that re-runs are also watched by many people in Europe, and in fact many in Europe accept watching re-runs because they don't want to wake up early.(Original post by F1 fanatic)
It's daft really because had it been at it's normal time it still wouldn't have been significantly different to Oz last weekend. If it hadn't rained then I don't think light would have been an issue, but obviously someone forgot about the characteristics of a tropical climate.
By having it at the time they did, less people in the UK would've watched it as it was still fairly early (for some people) and there is still no re-run, which considering the controversy surrunding the days race would be a good idea to show one. I know this may be up to the BBC, but they're sort of forced into showing it only once today.
