This is not a complaint on the university at all. but i'm in a bit of a difficult situation. I'm going to Nottingham next year that's definite but the problem is my fee status. I've been classified as international and the only real reason for this is i don't live in the UK and haven't done for several years prior to the september 09 term start. Therefore i fall into a temporarily overseas category or rather i should do as if it weren't for my fathers employment I would be living in the UK. However Nottingham have just classified me as Overseas and I'm in the process of appealing this for the third time... i was wondering if there's anyone who can give me any advice or has been in a similar situation? Its really weighing on my mind when i should be focusing on revision
Nottingham are just following the guidelines from the government, from what you've described, there is NO way you'll be paying home fees and you can't change your status once you start university i.e. you're going to be paying international fees till the end of this degree. Sorry but there's not much you can do.
I've been in a similar situation if it helps. Just concentrate on you work, I'm sure somehow you'll be able to avoid the fees.
Nottingham are just following the guidelines from the government, from what you've described, there is NO way you'll be paying home fees and you can't change your status once you start university i.e. you're going to be paying international fees till the end of this degree. Sorry but there's not much you can do.
I've been in a similar situation if it helps. Just concentrate on you work, I'm sure somehow you'll be able to avoid the fees.
if that were true though then NO one at my school would get home status as we live abroad and its actually the case that if we qualify ( passport, house in the uk proof of visits ect..) most other people get home status i have an older brother who went through the same system and got home status ( at Warwick though). the only people who don't get it are people who are born outside the uk and with citizenship of another country ie. india. This is why im appealing because I know many people in the same situation either this year or in prior years who have gotten home status without this much difficulty.
My friend was born british, in the uk, she lived there as a kid, went abroad then came back (and settled) for alevels and applied for uni. Under the grounds that she'd not be in the uk for 2 yrs prior to september, a couple of weeks before university started, they told her she'd have to pay international fees. This was at every university she applied to. She went on a gap year to make up the official 2 years and now pays home fees.
I have chinese friends with English passports whose families live in HK and who'd never been in the country prior to the start of their alevels. It was the same thing for them, unless they'd lived in the UK for 2 years prior to the start of the course, they'd have to pay international fees. Also the requirement is that the time spent in the UK has not been for education. Again lots of universities said this.
I'd been outside the country and came back (settled) for a-levels. The date they use to determine fee status is Sept 1st of the academic year you're about to start. I was off by a couple of days. Unless I'd gone on a gap year, I would have to pay international fees. I currently pay international fees.
It's not Nottingham being funny. Obviously each case is different but they have guidelines they have to follow. I've seen these guidelines. If you even fail one of the criteria, that's it. I'm sorry but it's very unlikely that they will let you pay home fees and if this is your 3rd appeal, I very much doubt they'll change their minds now.
My friend was born british, in the uk, she lived there as a kid, went abroad then came back (and settled) for alevels and applied for uni. Under the grounds that she'd not be in the uk for 2 yrs prior to september, a couple of weeks before university started, they told her she'd have to pay international fees. This was at every university she applied to. She went on a gap year to make up the official 2 years and now pays home fees.
I have chinese friends with English passports whose families live in HK and who'd never been in the country prior to the start of their alevels. It was the same thing for them, unless they'd lived in the UK for 2 years prior to the start of the course, they'd have to pay international fees. Also the requirement is that the time spent in the UK has not been for education. Again lots of universities said this.
I'd been outside the country and came back (settled) for a-levels. The date they use to determine fee status is Sept 1st of the academic year you're about to start. I was off by a couple of days. Unless I'd gone on a gap year, I would have to pay international fees. I currently pay international fees.
It's not Nottingham being funny. Obviously each case is different but they have guidelines they have to follow. I've seen these guidelines. If you even fail one of the criteria, that's it. I'm sorry but it's very unlikely that they will let you pay home fees and if this is your 3rd appeal, I very much doubt they'll change their minds now.
that doesnt make sense to me. i know at least 10 people in previous years who got home status at nottingham having been living abroad for five or six years plus. Along with three or four from my year now.
I'll just say this, you don't know the details of each person, it might be that their parents although working abroad still meet the government criterion for example, own a house in the uk and pay taxes even away etc. It could be something as trivial as that I don't know. I also don't know all the criteria for meeting home fee status although I think I've seen the most important bits (or at least the bits related to my application and my friends). Your situation although appearing similar might not be the same as those who've been given home fee status and seeing as this is going to be your third appeal, i doubt their going to change their minds now after looking at your application and your details twice already.
Well, I have lived abroad for the last 9 years and i have been given home status but this is only because my dad is a diplomat for the British government we have a house in the UK and pay taxes (etc). The universities only give very few exceptions to people living abroad and especially if they have denied your appeal twice before, it seems unlikely they will give you home status now! Have you received home status from other unis?
Well, I have lived abroad for the last 9 years and i have been given home status but this is only because my dad is a diplomat for the British government we have a house in the UK and pay taxes (etc). The universities only give very few exceptions to people living abroad and especially if they have denied your appeal twice before, it seems unlikely they will give you home status now! Have you received home status from other unis?
thing is we have the house, pay taxes, and thre other UK unis granted me home status. manchester edinburgh and UCL all granted me home status though i didnt get the offer from UCL. and i want to go to notthingham and have firmed it. its just irritating that if three other ones can give me home status it means i definitely do qualify?
I'm inclined to say that you either met the uni's quota or that they've only on the surface said home fee status which would then be subject to review once you accept their offers. I don't know. Goodluck with it though, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
thing is we have the house, pay taxes, and thre other UK unis granted me home status. manchester edinburgh and UCL all granted me home status though i didnt get the offer from UCL. and i want to go to notthingham and have firmed it. its just irritating that if three other ones can give me home status it means i definitely do qualify?
At least you can still go, i have applied for nursing which you can only do if you are home status (because the fees are paid for by the government) and i was rejected from Birmingham because they decided i was international status! Each uni is different when it comes to fee statuses, I was orignally rejcted from leeds because they thought i was home status but e-mailed them and they agreed to look at my application again however birmingham did not agree to do so
Out of curiosity, what reasons did Nottingham give for declining home fee status?
they havent given me reasons properly. Ive sent them an email asking why, they reply with a vague email saying you have been clasified as overseas and then i've been told i can re complete the fees form which i did. i. the first time it was because of the two years prior but there is a clause where by if it were not for extenuating circumstances you would be resident in the uk.
which is the case for me as my fathers employment contract is temporary and i can never be a citizen here so effectively when this contract ends if it isn't renewed we have to leave the country as we cannot live here if he isn't working. they reviewed with this in mind and came back with international again. So i sent back emails asking why and they haven't replied. so i've called them and asked them what the reasoning was and they told me they would have a look and send it in an email. they haven't. so i'm currently waiting for them to respond.
You class temporary employment as extenuating circumstances? I think that's why they're rejecting you on that. Extenuating circumstances are things like health or death or war, not jobs. Sadly I don't think they'll see that as extenuating circumstances. Obviously I'm not the person who makes decisions,but I very much doubt they'd class a relocation due to jobs as extenuating. Again good luck.
I am a British Citizen. My family have paid taxes for generations
It is my right to get an Education in this country (As defined by your European Human rights, quote this).
If you charge me international fees I can't afford to go to university >IN MY COUNTRY< (take about "foreign" only being here for 3 years but are getting what you, a British Citizen your whole life are not).
I did not chose to live abroad, I had to because of my parents.
I am going to live here after University and pay my taxes.
I am a high achieving able student.
I am white btw (not English by race though), and NOT racist at all. You may look like an a hole if you do this, but this is what white people have to do in my borough a lot of the time (for instance if you can't afford a school trip and you're white, they aint gana pay!) because they are obsessed with meeting ethnic minority targets etc etc. so it may work for you :]
please don't -ve me for saying this I'm trying to help.
I don't think you're racist for saying what you've just said, but I do think you're taking a slightly naive, populist view. It's very easy to say minorities get the most help with all these targets, but I'm sure many minorities and immigrants would disagree. Let's remember why those targets were put there in the first place.
Anyway, my advice to the OP would be to keep appealing. Like La Trampa said, I wouldn't get my hopes up, but if you think you're entitled to home fees then you have to fight for it. Good luck
Just look for people who seam to have been in the same situation as you but got the home status, see who on the inside let that happen and hold it against them. I guess that's blackmail in a way depending on the circumstances and how you interprete (cant spell this) "hold it against them".... but it works.
I had a similiar issue with them, though mine was more with a VISA issue..we took the govt to court and won
In your case..how long were you living out of UK before Sept09? If too long then I'm not too sure..
But wait..you're saying other unis are all good...and you have a house etc??
I had a friend who was in the same problem..
PESTER them..email em, phone em, go visit em if you live close enough..but basicly keep hammering them with appeals and complaints. Mention that you have a house and everything. My friend did so and in the end they ended up granting him Home fees, mainly because it was too much bother to keep replying and saying no. He didn't even deserve the home fees you have a good chance..
Keep emailing them, give them proof of your home (main thing, its a strong argument) like utility bills etc. and they will eventually give in. Don't forget to mention that the other unis gave you normal fees.
Dont give up keep trying..don't worry about it being too late to appeal either, they can change fee status any time before the term starts.
thank you ninja penguin djobla and ykddkk ( i have no idea)
im NOT giving up. even if it might seem pointless id rather keep appealing till they put out a restraining order than pay international fees
thank you ninja penguin djobla and ykddkk ( i have no idea)
im NOT giving up. even if it might seem pointless id rather keep appealing till they put out a restraining order than pay international fees
Hey, don't worry - you will get round it, it will just take you doggedly emailing them (going in person would be better).
I am a UK national but lived outside of the UK for 6 years prior to coming to Nottingham, I had to hassle them to give me home status, but they did in the end, each year I have to go to Student Services and get them to change my status back to home student, as it seems to automatically revert on the system.
Where have you been living for the past three years? If it's in the EU you'll have no problems, if it's outside, you need to get a letter from your parent's employer saying that they have had a contract for x amount of years and are obliged to work overseas etc., therefore you had to accompany them to said country...Also mentioning they pay tax in the UK would be helpful. The regulations DO state that if the student had no choice but to move overseas they should be considered for home fees.
Alternatively, but only as a last resort, (if you haven't already mentioned a time span) just say you were overseas for less than a year - if that would fit into your story? For example, I omitted the fact that I had lived in the Middle East (even though they knew I had taken my AS levels there), and just said I was there for 6 months - because I knew it would complicate the whole procedure.
Hope you get it sorted out soon.
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