[dappleddawndrawndauphin]

Anyone seen it?! how can they claim they're not racist??

[Gaz031]

I saw it and don't really think any of the content was racist..
If you had only saw the broadcast, rather than heard about them via the media then you wouldn't think them to be racist.

[higherspeed]

Well there was the implication that the 'truth' as he put it was that other races push heroin and groom young girls.

I would conclude that they were racist from the fact that Nick Griffin has been arrested and that the party stands by him, enough to include him in their broadcast.

[Howard]

(Original post by higherspeed)
Well there was the implication that the 'truth' as he put it was that other races push heroin and groom young girls.

Wasn't that the subject of a BBC documentary that was pulled from programming at the last minute for fear of upsetting the minority in question?

[Vienna]

(Original post by higherspeed)
I would conclude that they were racist from the fact that Nick Griffin has been arrested and that the party stands by him

I would conclude that you held no respect for the notion that a man is 'innocent until proven guilty'.

[manps]

(Original post by Vienna)
I would conclude that you held no respect for the notion that a man is 'innocent until proven guilty'.

well said, besides whether the bnp are racist or not, some of their policies make sense

[Socretes38]

Notice, the broadcast has no mention of their policies. What are they, I don’t see how the broadcast would entice any support without policies

[higherspeed]

As far as I'm concerned, from what I've seen he is guilty. I'm not sure that he should be prosecuted, but he's clearly a racist, as is the party. Being a racist isn't a crime, whether he's guilty of inciting hatred or not is independent on the status of the party.

Well that's my view on them.

[andyukguy]

higherspeed,

Thanks for sharing your views - the party is not a racist party in my opinion. I am actually upset that in a country which claims to have Free Speech we actually do not. There is little desirable about American politics but at least their first Amendment means Free Speech how it is clearly meant to be.

Oh and my personal views on the PPB? Well, disappointed really it was a real turn off for most as the scenes with the ex-serviceman did seem to drag on a bit.

Andrew

[tenjon]

(Original post by andyukguy)
higherspeed,

Thanks for sharing your views - the party is not a racist party in my opinion. I am actually upset that in a country which claims to have Free Speech we actually do not. There is little desirable about American politics but at least their first Amendment means Free Speech how it is clearly meant to be.

Andrew

The BNP is undeniably racist; if you go onto their homepage and try to join it tells you that you can only do so if you are white. How can you claim that the party isn't racist?

This country does have free speech; Nick Griffin &co arn't getting locked up for their views, they are getting arrested under a different law - incitement of racial hatred. Given the above, that is hardly surprising...

[Neitzhschezehcz]

Their broadcast conveys next to nothing, convinces no one of anything, and leaves the majority more confused than informed.

[higherspeed]

I'd imagine that's their aim.

I have nothing against free speech. I don't think the BNP should be closed down or censored. Looking back at my last comment, when I said he was guilty, I meant guilty of being a racist, which isn't a crime. As for inciting religious hatred, the whole BNP are treading a dangerous line with their current anti-Muslim stance.

[andyukguy]

(Original post by tom391)
The BNP is undeniably racist; if you go onto their homepage and try to join it tells you that you can only do so if you are white. How can you claim that the party isn't racist?

This country does have free speech; Nick Griffin &co arn't getting locked up for their views, they are getting arrested under a different law - incitement of racial hatred. Given the above, that is hardly surprising...

I imagine most people's definition of racism would be something along the lines of "Considering one particular race of people to be superior to another" or "Hating another race because of the colour of their skin". I believe these to be popular definitions of the term in the year 2005. Going by this, the BNP is not racist. Asking that the party membership be white is something only considered racist because of the current PC climate. May I ask if you consider the black-only colleges in the states racist towards white people? How about the numerous schools here where *only* Muslim children are allowed to go? No you don't (I assume) because both of these groups are minorities in the UK (so that somehow makes it ok for them to want to study or learn about their cultures in a non-mixed environment) where as a party for white people wanting to learn about white culture is somehow by definition racist? What's wrong with being proud to be white? Being so does not mean hating anybody non-white

Andrew

[Jamie]

(Original post by andyukguy)
higherspeed,

Thanks for sharing your views - the party is not a racist party in my opinion. I am actually upset that in a country which claims to have Free Speech we actually do not. There is little desirable about American politics but at least their first Amendment means Free Speech how it is clearly meant to be.

Oh and my personal views on the PPB? Well, disappointed really it was a real turn off for most as the scenes with the ex-serviceman did seem to drag on a bit.

Andrew

actually even in america free speech ends when used for incitement.
It is no more legal to incite hatred against immigrants, than it is to incite a vigilante crowd against a suspected paedophile.

[DayTripper]

(Original post by Howard)
Wasn't that the subject of a BBC documentary that was pulled from programming at the last minute for fear of upsetting the minority in question?

That it was.

[Zarathustra]

(Original post by andyukguy)
Asking that the party membership be white is something only considered racist because of the current PC climate. May I ask if you consider the black-only colleges in the states racist towards white people? How about the numerous schools here where *only* Muslim children are allowed to go?

There are other colleges in the states where white people can go. There is no other UK for black people to go to. Lets not forget that if they got into power they'd be representing the entire country, which has a vast amount of non-white people in it.

ZarathustraX

[farmer marshall]

I find it highly amusing that Scotland can have their own national party bu the whole of Britain cant

[Mad_Monkey59]

(Original post by farmer marshall)
I find it highly amusing that Scotland can have their own national party bu the whole of Britain cant

well thats because ours are racist bigots.

[shiny]

(Original post by farmer marshall)
I find it highly amusing that Scotland can have their own national party bu the whole of Britain cant

Yes, but the SNP wants people to immigrate to Scotland, not for people to move out

[Frances]

(Original post by Zarathustra)
There are other colleges in the states where white people can go. There is no other UK for black people to go to. Lets not forget that if they got into power they'd be representing the entire country, which has a vast amount of non-white people in it.

ZarathustraX

Are there actually black-ONLY colleges in the states? I've heard of "historically black" colleges, but as far as I'm aware, they don't say white people can't go there.