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Reply 440
Original post by Julii92

Original post by Julii92
Thanks for your reply. I'm eager to spend 3rd year in europe so I might consider trying to do 40 credits of languages during each of my first two years and trying to cope with 140 credits a year.


Language courses are really hard work, particularly if you're doing them from beginners level. I'm not sure how keen your DoS would be to let you do this and even if they were, it would be a very intensive two years for you.

My Spanish classes took more time/stress/work than my other subjects combined took in first and second year then I still came out with my lowest grade in Spanish! The courses are really time intensive because in the first year you learn everything at a ridiculously fast pace (ie: one tense/grammar aspect per week) so by the end of the first semester you're expected to know all of the tenses and all of the grammar that people take 7 years to learn if they start the language in High school and carry it on until they go to university. This means you end up putting in several hours of work a day extra for your language to keep up as otherwise you really struggle in tutorials. BY the end of first year everyone takes the same exam regardless of whether you enter as a beginner or as an AH/Higher entrant then in second year you all do the same course.

For studying abroad in Europe, you don't necessarily need to have a language upto 2nd year as a pre requisite to do the course. I have friends who went to Spain with only one year of Spanish. I wanted to go too but my subject area didn't have a partnership agreement so I went to a Scandinavian university instead and met people who could barely say a sentence in English but were allowed to go and study there for a year!
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Reply 441
Original post by Julii92
Thanks for your reply. I'm eager to spend 3rd year in europe so I might consider trying to do 40 credits of languages during each of my first two years and trying to cope with 140 credits a year.


Beginner level language courses are, from experience, FAR harder than advanced level, the teaching is intense and you're expected to put in a lot of extra work. Also, as above, your DoS probably won't let you. I had to really push mine to allow me to take three languages in first year.
Reply 442
I have applied for MA Politics.
I would like to know whether I am going to be able to take economics as an outside option and maybe to convert my degree to Economics and Politics or purely Economics.
As far as I am concerned economics is a quite oversubscribed degree, that's why I am asking.
Reply 443
Original post by Nicck

Original post by Nicck
I have applied for MA Politics.
I would like to know whether I am going to be able to take economics as an outside option and maybe to convert my degree to Economics and Politics or purely Economics.
As far as I am concerned economics is a quite oversubscribed degree, that's why I am asking.


If there are places available then yes, you will be able to do this. However you won't know whether there are places until you arrive in Sept but even for the most popular degrees there are a couple of places available due to people missing their offers.

If you get onto the first year economics course then yes, you will be able to convert your degree to either of those choices providing you do all of the compulsory courses for both option.
They say on the website that you can choose two other subjects. So for example, if my main course is l100 econ, I can choose politics/IR and mathematics. Or there is restriction?

thanks
Reply 445
If you do a Modern languages degree (2 languages), is your outside subject allowed to be another language?
Original post by Lewis :D
If you do a Modern languages degree (2 languages), is your outside subject allowed to be another language?


Yes, provided there's no timetable clash. But it really depends on circumstances - most DoS' (and whatever their replacements will be from next year) will not be keen for you to take 3 languages with 2 of them ab initio. I would suggest that if you intend to progress to single or joint honours in just languages, that you might benefit from doing something a little different as your outside (maybe something in SPS or History) because the interdisciplinary nature of honours languages means you'll benefit from having studied other stuff.
Reply 447
Original post by nearlyheadlessian
Yes, provided there's no timetable clash. But it really depends on circumstances - most DoS' (and whatever their replacements will be from next year) will not be keen for you to take 3 languages with 2 of them ab initio. I would suggest that if you intend to progress to single or joint honours in just languages, that you might benefit from doing something a little different as your outside (maybe something in SPS or History) because the interdisciplinary nature of honours languages means you'll benefit from having studied other stuff.


Thank you! The two languages I'm studying are post- A level, so I'd only be starting an ab initio if it was my outside subject. Thanks for the info :smile:
Reply 448
Wondering if you could maybe mix Economics with Physics at Edinburgh? I know it's an odd combination so was just wondering.
Reply 449
Original post by bob247

Original post by bob247
Wondering if you could maybe mix Economics with Physics at Edinburgh? I know it's an odd combination so was just wondering.


Check the timetable by using the instructions at the start of this thread.
Is it possible to change degree programs right away? If the system is flexible, that should be okay, right? As long as the course isn't oversubscribed?
I have an offer for Physics but I really wanted to study Civil Engineering or Architecture (my school wouldn't let me apply for these- as in my head of sixth form flat out refused to let me- because they assured me I wouldn't get an offer (AAAb student)), so what's the likelihood of being able to change?
As I understand it, architecture is 120 credits per year, so I wouldn't be able to take any outsides (I would quite like to do a term of literature), but what about Civil Eng?
would i be allowed to do certain modules for physics, without doing the full 40 credits?
i'm asking mostly because doing a joint degree in social sciences doesn't allow me to take maths as a second subject with physics, so would i be able to pick modules that aren't very mathematics based?
Reply 452
Original post by CloudedWithDoubt
Is it possible to change degree programs right away? If the system is flexible, that should be okay, right? As long as the course isn't oversubscribed?
I have an offer for Physics but I really wanted to study Civil Engineering or Architecture (my school wouldn't let me apply for these- as in my head of sixth form flat out refused to let me- because they assured me I wouldn't get an offer (AAAb student)), so what's the likelihood of being able to change?
As I understand it, architecture is 120 credits per year, so I wouldn't be able to take any outsides (I would quite like to do a term of literature), but what about Civil Eng?


With civil engineering, you'd have 40 free credits in the first year. But as I understand English lit is really oversubscribed, so you'd have little chance of getting to do that as an outside course. Especially being in the science and engineering college, and they'd give anyone in humanities first choice of doing it as an outside course.

The easiest way to change from physics over to civil eng, would be to continue with physics in first year, but with doing engineering 1 and civil engineering 1 as your outside courses.

Hope this is some help :smile:
Original post by Ronda
With civil engineering, you'd have 40 free credits in the first year. But as I understand English lit is really oversubscribed, so you'd have little chance of getting to do that as an outside course. Especially being in the science and engineering college, and they'd give anyone in humanities first choice of doing it as an outside course.

The easiest way to change from physics over to civil eng, would be to continue with physics in first year, but with doing engineering 1 and civil engineering 1 as your outside courses.

Hope this is some help :smile:


Thanks a lot :smile:
This is so interesting - never knew that Edinburgh University did anything like this!
I think the course I'll be starting this September (Chinese and French) is made up of 120 credits anyway for both years, but it's nice to have the option of studying something totally different if I really wanted to!
Thanks for the info! :h:
Okay. Question, even though I haven't heard back on my application yet. In terms of outside subjects for a Linguistics degree, how far outside are you allowed to go? My eventual aim is to do multifield research, so is it possible to combine Linguistics (MA) with, say, Cognitive Science (Bsc) or even Neuroscience? It seems like you wouldn't be able to because one is an art, the other a science, and they're in different schools, but that's the most like the work I hope to do in university. I want language and brain as well as language and mind!
Original post by elebuughoti
Okay. Question, even though I haven't heard back on my application yet. In terms of outside subjects for a Linguistics degree, how far outside are you allowed to go? My eventual aim is to do multifield research, so is it possible to combine Linguistics (MA) with, say, Cognitive Science (Bsc) or even Neuroscience? It seems like you wouldn't be able to because one is an art, the other a science, and they're in different schools, but that's the most like the work I hope to do in university. I want language and brain as well as language and mind!


Possibly, although a brief look shows that the Neuroscience courses all appear to be level 10 courses which are too advanced as pre-honours outsides. Can't find any Cognitive Science courses right now, but they may well fall into the same category. If you follow the instructions in the OP you'll see how to match up courses - of course they may be timetable clashes, particularly between George Square/KB courses. It may be something that your DoS also discourages. After all, if your eventual aim is to do interdisciplinary research then a common route to that is to specialise in one area before branching out. A 1st year undergraduate course is hardly going to turn you into a researcher...
Original post by nearlyheadlessian
Possibly, although a brief look shows that the Neuroscience courses all appear to be level 10 courses which are too advanced as pre-honours outsides. Can't find any Cognitive Science courses right now, but they may well fall into the same category. If you follow the instructions in the OP you'll see how to match up courses - of course they may be timetable clashes, particularly between George Square/KB courses. It may be something that your DoS also discourages. After all, if your eventual aim is to do interdisciplinary research then a common route to that is to specialise in one area before branching out. A 1st year undergraduate course is hardly going to turn you into a researcher...


Thank you! I understand that naturally the first year course isn't overwhelmingly important in that regard, but the huge appeal in Edinburgh for me was the ability to use outside subjects to create an individualized experience with more than one field at the same time. I'm thinking way ahead, but it's because I'm really eager to explore everything thoroughly right from the beginning!
Reply 458
Original post by elebuughoti
Okay. Question, even though I haven't heard back on my application yet. In terms of outside subjects for a Linguistics degree, how far outside are you allowed to go? My eventual aim is to do multifield research, so is it possible to combine Linguistics (MA) with, say, Cognitive Science (Bsc) or even Neuroscience? It seems like you wouldn't be able to because one is an art, the other a science, and they're in different schools, but that's the most like the work I hope to do in university. I want language and brain as well as language and mind!


Have you considered doing the cognitive science degree course, either the BSc or the MA route, rather than linguistics specifically? or doing psychology and linguistics? These sound like they might appeal more to you.

If you want to swap to cognitive science at all you will need to do informatics modules in first year. If you want to swap to the BSc one then you'll need to do 80 credits of informatics in first year plus linguistics, or if you want to do MA cognitive science (hums route) then you don't have to do as many informatics modules but you also have to do either psychology or philosophy.
Original post by oxymoronic
Have you considered doing the cognitive science degree course, either the BSc or the MA route, rather than linguistics specifically? or doing psychology and linguistics? These sound like they might appeal more to you.

If you want to swap to cognitive science at all you will need to do informatics modules in first year. If you want to swap to the BSc one then you'll need to do 80 credits of informatics in first year plus linguistics, or if you want to do MA cognitive science (hums route) then you don't have to do as many informatics modules but you also have to do either psychology or philosophy.


Thank you so much!

I didn't actually find out much about the Cog. Sci degrees until after choosing linguistics. But thank you for the awesome advice; as much as I'd love to do something with cogsci it still does seem to me that my personal interests revolve directly around linguistics. I didn't know the cog. sci programmes were so involved! Thank you, though--I'm used to dabbling in schools, but learning a new system of multiple subjects is going to take me a while. :wink:

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