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Reply 60
Well i think it depends how much u enjoy studying there, the more u enjoy it the more chance u have of getting a better degree. Hopefully im gonna study geography there next year, when applying for my uni's i didnt look at any tables cause there just stupid, when looking round RH i was actually in awe of it, not just the building, how much the course suited me, the good lecturers, and accommodation, oh and there area. For me its amazing and i looked at A LOT of uni's
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Reply 61
Original post by kazozh5
Well i think it depends how much u enjoy studying there, the more u enjoy it the more chance u have of getting a better degree. Hopefully im gonna study geography there next year, when applying for my uni's i didnt look at any tables cause there just stupid, when looking round RH i was actually in awe of it, not just the building, how much the course suited me, the good lecturers, and accommodation, oh and there area. For me its amazing and i looked at A LOT of uni's


I am a current Geog student, who will be going into their 3rd year in Sept. I can honestly tell you that, despite appearing to be slightly disorganised at times, the department is really friend, and has some excellent lecturers. It is one of the higher ranked departments at the university, and has a solid repuation for research, which is important, as you will find that much of your work will be based upon case studies from their research. Also, it is obvious that it is a good dept, as it is always over subscribed, and they do not accept people who score lower than BBB as a general rule. I would say that the majority of people in the dept have atleast one A grade, and possibly two. Many also have straight A grades, suggesting that the dept pulls in a high class of student. The department must be the least international at the uni. In our year, every student is English apart from a couple of joint honours students who are either from Mexico or Canada. Before anyone says Geography is a pointless subject, it is not. It has a very high employability rate, and is now one of the most popular degree programs in the country. People should go to uni to do something that they are either good at, or that they have a passion for. Personally I chose Human Geography because at 18 I felt it was too early to specialise in a more specific discipline, such as Economics or Journalism...
Reply 62
Original post by DoubleB
If you had any attention you would notice you sought to attack other degrees first, rather than me attacking management. Look at university courses across the board and management is known to not be a classical and traditional course. If we look at politics, law, journalism you will notice the vast majority of successful people have traditional subjects, whether it be in the arts (like those you deride, English, History and Languages) or the sciences, rather than business or management. How many successful bankers do you think would have management degrees, not many is the answer.
The way I look at it, I am interested in history, where do the best academics and specialists work? Thats right in university. Where do the best managers and business people work? In business where they make money, not at universities. For many of your courses apparently the lecturers barely speak English, and if you look at the rankings management simply is not as well respected as English, History and Physics for example. One of the reasons some have given for Royal Holloway's slip down the rankings is because they have begun to slip down the overall rankings (from 12th when I applied with three A's at A-Level) to its current ranking is because of the money and concentration it now applies to the Management department rather than the Universities traditional stronger subjects.
History really is anything but irrelevant by the way my friend, and frankly anyone who suggests it is an ignorant idiot, but there you go.
Im anything but a troll, just providing the facts. Talking of facts, got any evidence to suggest that Management really does have the highest employability rate? It may be true I suppose, but most of these statistics dont take into account that many do in fact get jobs after univeirsty not in graduate jobs, but in retail and indeed in Fast-Food service.

History graduates are highly employable in the...finance sector!
Just to prove my point:


"Every year business advisory firms such as KPMG recruit thousands of graduates into their many graduate programmes. It may come as a surprise how many recruits come from a History background. It is wrong to assume that careers in the finance sector are solely numbers driven. Many business career paths rely heavily on colleagues having the skills and aptitude that History graduates have honed as part of their studies.

"So what are these skills? It won't be a shock that there is not much call to demonstrate knowledge of the Industrial Revolution or the American Civil War in our field of work, but the ability to research, analyse and report on data is highly valued. A huge part of the services we offer is to provide our clients with advice and guidance on how they can develop, improve and even save their business. We also work with a range of local government bodies and charities, where we provide input into how they should spend taxpayers' and donors' money. To provide this service well, we need to make sure that we are in full possession of all the facts through thorough research; we need to know the validity of the sources; we need to make sure that we view the information from all angles and that we give our conclusions and recommendations in a concise and rational way.

"We take on students from all degree disciplines, but from the process outlined above it is easy to see why History students excel at KPMG. While students from other subjects will have to learn these skills when they start their career with us, most History students will have been developing these skills throughout their university course."

Michelle MacFadyen, Campus Marketing Executive - Scotland, KPMG


I am a history student at RHUL and I totally agree that management is NOT on the same level. In my first year, I actually had to write several essays (even a 3000 words one which accounted for a lot of marks) while my management friends were enjoying the sunshine!!!!!
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Reply 63
Wot is ther to do in a management degree? Just out of curiosity coz I can't think of anything that it could possibly consist of except business degree type stuff and thats a business degree.
Reply 64
Original post by Krz
The minute you claimed Management was a 'joke' made me think you were a troll making your argument invalid to me. There's no way any full degree course at Rhul would truly be that easy for you to make remarks like you did. And honestly it's common knowledge as to how employable it is.

And as for the bad English statement, 6/7 of my lecturers were British (1 Canadian) and their English was fine, only 1 lecturer was foreign. So once again I have no idea who's telling you these ridiculous things.

Seriously I don't think anything you said towards Management was a fact, other than your arguments defending History.


Just to support some things that DoubleB has been saying, for some time, the opinion that management is not up to par with traditional degrees is not confined to Royal Holloway. I have a number of friends spread across a number of universities in different parts of the country, and the opinion is the same in each of these.

Your remarks regarding the employability rate of management degrees is perhaps misleading, although you are obviously blinded by your own need to justify your course choice to people you have never met. Has it ever occurred to you that many students studying, what might be called, a traditional degree, are in fact seeking further education after the completion of their undergraduate programme? Management is often seen as a fast-track to employment, and I am under the impression that far less management graduates progress onto further education - at least not immediately. This would account for the high employment figures, in regards to management degrees, when measured in comparison to "traditional degree" options.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure management has it's own individual merits, whatever they may be, but I think you are wrong to criticise History and English; both of which are (rightly) respected degrees, with many transferable skills.

History, for example, develops strong research and analytical skills, as well as a whole host of other attributes, which are highly sought after, in the working world.

One final point:

It's impossible to prove which course is easiest unless you survey.


You stated this, recently, yet it was you who first started stating that x degree is more challenging than y degree. I think you should start following your own advice.
i was just wondering whether it's a really rural, boring area? i prefer cities and hate villages so im hoping it's not too 'villagy' lol???
Reply 66
I got an offer to study financial economics at Royal Holloway ABB. However, i too am also curious to know how the student life is like... i hope it aint boring :smile:
Reply 67
Original post by keepinorder
i was just wondering whether it's a really rural, boring area? i prefer cities and hate villages so im hoping it's not too 'villagy' lol???


Well look at it on google earth. Its not the deep dark countryside 3 hours away from any sign of civilisation but its not in the city either.
Reply 68
Original post by MsRedFoxx
Wot is ther to do in a management degree? Just out of curiosity coz I can't think of anything that it could possibly consist of except business degree type stuff and thats a business degree.


Having taken a management degree I can quite confidently say that the course was far far FAR more demanding than I expected.

What do I mean by this? Firstly, the level of reading is quite simply incredible, as are most literacy-related degree. Secondly, I took quite a few accounting modules that were actually very tough. Infact they were so challenging at times I couldn't believe I was even in the situation I was in! Thirdly, pressed for time, are three words that summed up my management experience. I had 6 deadlines within one month, the assignments were NOT given out earlier - so its a challenge of your time management skills (as are most degrees)

I think it would be naive to assume a degree like management is 'easier' than another degree. Just as easily I shall not say it was harder than another subject that is poorly looked upon , such as, media studies.

As for what my degree encompassed here are some modules to show you the variety of this degree:

e-commerce, strategies for the information age, modern businesses and cultural routes, modern corporations, accounting for business, finance and accounting (very economics based, included stocks and share valuing, B&S formula, tricky formula and ideas), HR, marketing, business statistics, production and operations management, information systems.

So as you can see, the 'vagueness' of management actually allows such a diversity of studies.

I'd whole heartedly recommend it as a degree to anyone, and even with its poorly-looked up status as a difficult degree I'd still retake the degree, although I'd probably like to not relive third year, I've never been so stressed with work in my life!!
Reply 69
Original post by DoubleB
From my experience studying there, management is the butt of all jokes, and in many cases it does seem to be a weaker course, depsite all the money the University pumps into it, probably more to do with the amount of money that foreign students, who in the majority study management bring into the Uni.
Overall, and bear in mind I lived with a management student and friends with many for my duration, management did seem like an easier course, in terms of workload and academic credibility.
For one thing, I saw a past paper question for an ethics course in management which asked 'Is it wrong to sleep with your boss?'.
In general it really is not considered to be to the same standard as the English, History, Physics, and Classics departments, who actually have some world class lecturers, and the standard of student seems to be better in these departments anyway.


As a management graduate, I'd just like to tell you that the degree offered so much choice as to what modules you chose. So those who went down the ethics route will have had a different experience to those who went down the finance and accounting route as I did.

I think its naive to thus judge my severely harsh and stressful time studying what will ultimately be classified as a management degree as 'easier' simply because you lived with ONE management student. Workload is beyond belief. First year was easy and unfortunately that is where the RHUL Management reputation of having an easy ride comes from. Second year and third year are an entirely different story.

To disrespect all those who studied management by saying their degree lacks credibility is wrong of you do to so, however, you seem so set on keeping it as your opinion that no-one could probably persuade you otherwise. Nor should anyone need to. Those of us who have studied management and have worked hard will be proud of doing so.

It is however fair for those who have first hand experience in this degree to point out to you what the degree is really about and what their experiences were.

I lived with someone who studied History at RHUL and all she told me was how easy it was to get her high 2:1 and how unchallenging the course was. I'd never take it up as my opinion therefore that history at RHUL is 'easy'. I know better than to make such a large generalisation of a subject on one persons experience.
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Original post by FireRam
As a management graduate...


I did read your whole post, but I'd just like to ask what your graduate opportunities are like. I've actually heard of a bloke who graduated in management in 2010 and he's still working in Boots. Pretty much a similar story for the pure management grads I've seen; totally different to those who majored in another department, like Maths.
Reply 71
Original post by wanderlust.xx
I did read your whole post, but I'd just like to ask what your graduate opportunities are like. I've actually heard of a bloke who graduated in management in 2010 and he's still working in Boots. Pretty much a similar story for the pure management grads I've seen; totally different to those who majored in another department, like Maths.


Sure no problems, well my current opportunities are in management, banking and accounting, although my career advisor did point out to me that the breadth of the subjects and modules i've taken could lead to other careers if i really wanted, but because my interests have always been in finance I knew this degree was right for me and quite rightly so. My friends in management in the year above have managed to secure accounting positions in places like the Big 4 and other top 20 accounting firms. I've also had 2 friends accepted by Bank of America, and another has actually decided a drastic career train and has been accepted to start training to be a pilot!

So as you can see, it really could lead you anywhere, its ultimately down to the passion of a career profession held by the individual.

Congratulations to your friends in boots, if hes doing the management graduate programme with boots thats a highly sought-after area of employment! :smile:
how is PPE there? :smile:
Please don't get excited by the exterior! It's really really not about that. Think about your degree. Think about how close it is to London (not close- 45 minute train journey at least- trains stops running at 11 plus it costs £6 to get to London even with a rail card). Think about how close it is to any shops/high streets/train station (not close- 20 min walk at least. Yes there's a £1 shuttle bus that takes you there/back but it's rarely there). There are also barely any clubs around here ((p.s. the uni will always try and sell you the "three clubs on campus" but it's really just the student union that they change into a small club at night, and "medicine" (yep, it's as **** as it sounds- just a small room they try and make sound cool), and crosslands, which is more like a very small pub with jack **** to be, but which can sometimes be quite cute. It's a sweet uni, I'll give it that, with a lot of unions and sports activities to do if you're interested in a sport- but not much you can do if you fancy playing casually. I guess everyone has digs at their uni's, and you wont really find out how you truly feel about it unless you try out for yourself, but I've been here a year and this is how I feel. Maybe this will change :smile:
ok to be completely honest, I want to go to Royal Holloway but the level of stupidity and pettiness from y'all is completely putting me off. Are you guys serious? Management, English, History .... they all matter to different people in the same may and are all challenging to some whiles easy for others. Can you guys just get over it ffs and not put us all off considering this uni. I don't want to spend 4 years with a bunch of 10 year old thanks who can't get over simple differences.
Original post by fireram
as a management graduate, i'd just like to tell you that the degree offered so much choice as to what modules you chose. So those who went down the ethics route will have had a different experience to those who went down the finance and accounting route as i did.

I think its naive to thus judge my severely harsh and stressful time studying what will ultimately be classified as a management degree as 'easier' simply because you lived with one management student. Workload is beyond belief. First year was easy and unfortunately that is where the rhul management reputation of having an easy ride comes from. Second year and third year are an entirely different story.

To disrespect all those who studied management by saying their degree lacks credibility is wrong of you do to so, however, you seem so set on keeping it as your opinion that no-one could probably persuade you otherwise. Nor should anyone need to. Those of us who have studied management and have worked hard will be proud of doing so.

It is however fair for those who have first hand experience in this degree to point out to you what the degree is really about and what their experiences were.

I lived with someone who studied history at rhul and all she told me was how easy it was to get her high 2:1 and how unchallenging the course was. I'd never take it up as my opinion therefore that history at rhul is 'easy'. I know better than to make such a large generalisation of a subject on one persons experience.




thank you for a balanced and mature answer god bless you
Original post by kat2pult
On the whole it's good. Most departments are very respectful, except the politics and music departments which are very well respected, and management which is not.


how does economics fair at royal Holloway? I believe they are part of the management school?
Original post by FireRam
Sure no problems, well my current opportunities are in management, banking and accounting, although my career advisor did point out to me that the breadth of the subjects and modules i've taken could lead to other careers if i really wanted, but because my interests have always been in finance I knew this degree was right for me and quite rightly so. My friends in management in the year above have managed to secure accounting positions in places like the Big 4 and other top 20 accounting firms. I've also had 2 friends accepted by Bank of America, and another has actually decided a drastic career train and has been accepted to start training to be a pilot!

So as you can see, it really could lead you anywhere, its ultimately down to the passion of a career profession held by the individual.

Congratulations to your friends in boots, if hes doing the management graduate programme with boots thats a highly sought-after area of employment! :smile:


Hi there, I was just wondering if there was any extra curricular activities or internships or qualifications your 2 friends that went to bank of America had and if is it possible to share? thank you

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