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Aeolus

Not really,

Remember alot of soldiers are family men. Do you really think that a man with a wife and kids could honestly keep quiet knowing that another soldier who he works with has raped an innocent woman.

Im sick of every soldier being painted as a heartless machine. Its the minority that are cruel and hearrtless. Just like in Britain

Good job you read my earlier post, and hence recognised the sarcasm :facepalm:

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Aeolus

Darkel

How so? It makes sense that the more depraved acts would be less than the number of less depraved acts. The same way there are more robberies than murders every year.

Yes but how can you say that the less depraved acts arent also reported. The seriously sick acts like the one you mentioned above occur once in a blue moon.

Reply 42

Aeolus

Alex L

Good job you read my earlier post, and hence recognised the sarcasm :facepalm:

damn my self righteousness! :getmecoat:

Reply 43

Asclepius

Aeolus

damn my self righteousness! :getmecoat:

It's okay

Reply 44

Aeolus

Alex L

It's okay

Reply 45

Meus

I was reading this journalist interview with some women US soldiers and one line that stuck with me is how they fear their male counterparts more so than the enemy. This woman actually carries a knife with her not to fight of an Iraqi, but to fight off other men in her battalion. She commented that whilst Vietnam soldiers would look for whores, sorry, 'escorts', the stricter limitations has put the focus more so on their own female counter parts. It's really interesting actually because it gives another perspective in why so many military leaders are hesitant to have female soldiers in the front line

Reply 46

Darkel

Alex L

You can't compare robbery to murder in one instance, and this situation to "standard" rape in another. Like for like comparisons make for a better argument.

I was using that example on a scale of social deviancy. There are a lot less heinous crimes than there are more moderate crimes. This isn't exactly rocket science.

Reply 47

Asclepius

Darkel

I was using that example on a scale of social deviancy. There are a lot less heinous crimes than there are more moderate crimes. This isn't exactly rocket science.

But the scale you used wasn't comparable in the slightest.

Darkel

They raped someone, killed the family and torched the building. If they were willing to go to that length of depravity, there's probably a lot more soldiers who just partake in the odd rape and don't get caught.

Darkel

The same way there are more robberies than murders every year.

Tell me honestly that the two situations can be compared in terms of differences in severity.

Reply 48

Delta Usafa

To whoever was insinuating earlier that proof is needed that there has always been rape during wartime:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1382565/Red-Army-troops-raped-even-Russian-women-as-they-freed-them-from-camps.html

Reply 49

Darkel

Aeolus

You've totally misinterpreted my post. I'm not saying most soldiers do these sorts of things, or even a significant amount of them. As Bismarck pointed out five soldiers out of 1.4 million did this particular act. I'm just saying there are probably more rapists in the army that haven't been caught. To think that the only five people who would commit such crimes, and have committed such crimes, just happened to be at a certain place and at a certain time is naive

Reply 50

MBibzle

P1mP

Shocking!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8039257.stm

You do realise, this is what happens in war, us Brits have raped in Afghanistan and Iraq i'm sure. The Iraqi's would do it over here if they were invading. Conflict zones don't tend to obey a particular order...

Reply 51

Cover Drive

Descient

No need for the sarcasm.

There have been plenty of cases of soldier wrongdoings in Iraq, from what happened in Abu Ghraib (sp) to this. Have a look at the War Child website if you want more evidence.

Any group, not just an army, has criminals in it. The US army is the most professional in the world to be fair or at least one of the most.

I don't even know what the big deal is, egytian police, Saddam's army and the Iraqi army now commit wayyy more crimes. It just goes unnoticed because the system itself is so dirty.

This news just proves how great the judicial system is in the US.

Reply 52

Interpretivist07

Cover Drive

Any group, not just an army, has criminals in it. The US army is the most professional in the world to be fair or at least one of the most.

It depends on what you mean by professional, and either way, you ought to provide evidence for your claims.

Cover Drive

I don't even know what the big deal is, egytian police, Saddam's army and the Iraqi army now commit wayyy more crimes. It just goes unnoticed because the system itself is so dirty.

I'm sure that e.g. the Iraqi army, commit far more shocking crimes than US military personal - however, you cannot defend the actions of X by pointing the finger at the Y.

Reply 53

Delta Usafa

Interpretivist07

I'm sure that e.g. the Iraqi army, commit far more shocking crimes than US military personal - however, you cannot defend the actions of X by pointing the finger at the Y.

I think his point is not to justify it, but just to counter people saying either all American soldiers or bad, or soldiers in general are bad.

Oh, and by professional he meant well-trained, disciplined, etc. If America's military wasn't at least near the top of that list, we definitely wouldn't be in the position that we are now.

Reply 54

Darkel

Alex L

But the scale you used wasn't comparable in the slightest.

Tell me honestly that the two situations can be compared in terms of differences in severity.

I'm not comparing the two situations in terms of severity. I'm just saying that rape and murder is worse than rape, and that murders are worse than robberies. i.e. the more the severe a crime will be, the less it happens relative to other crimes. Please don't quote again me until you understand this basic point.

Reply 55

Aeolus

Darkel

You've totally misinterpreted my post. I'm not saying most soldiers do these sorts of things, or even a significant amount of them. As Bismarck pointed out five soldiers out of 1.4 million did this particular act. I'm just saying there are probably more rapists in the army that haven't been caught. To think that the only five people who would commit such \rimes, and have committed such crimes, just happened to be at a certain place and at a certain time is naive

Of course, there probably are. However i was under the impression that you were insinuating that alot more soldiers were commiting these rapes and murders. Which isnt really fair on Britsh servicemen. Especially as our forces are so much smaller than America(who despite their size still only have a handfull of incidents). If there are undiscovered crimes, i wouldn't expect it to be much more than one or two.

Reply 56

Cover Drive

Delta Usafa

That's exactly what I meant. Thank you.

Reply 57

Cover Drive

Interpretivist07

It depends on what you mean by professional, and either way, you ought to provide evidence for your claims.

I'm sure that e.g. the Iraqi army, commit far more shocking crimes than US military personal - however, you cannot defend the actions of X by pointing the finger at the Y.

What I am saying is people break laws in any organistion/country e.t.c So you yourself can't point fingers at any group in particular-it happens everywhere.

What we can say though is the US has laws and regulations in place which are followed to reduce this kind of behaviour, which are rigouroulsy inforced. This news is testimony to how the US deals with people who break law even if they are soldiers. They have a fair system.

A far cry from Asian Countries, Africa, Eastern Europe, South America. Western Europe and the US (white europeans made this country successful) lead the way for leadership in how a country should function.

Reply 58

ocelotrevs

Aeolus

Hmmmm....what did you imply by this then,

And what do you mean by "these sort of things happen more than people realise"?? Because every time something like this happens the media are all over it like a rash. Hence why your sources quote national newspapers.

These incidents are rarely brushed under the rug not in this day and age.And the public are more aware of these incidents than i think you would like to believe. Especially when rags like the Sun, Daily Mail etc.. are so keen to pounce on a juicy Army rape story.

At no point did I say all.
Also, one of the stories was talking about a book which was highlighting sexual assaults in the army.
Just like in real life, sexual assaults happen more than people realise.
However, they may not get reported.
Just like in any large organisation.

Reply 59

Aeolus

ocelotrevs

I am sure we have jus misunderstood each other, but this was the point i was trying to make to you, after you painted the every soldier with the same brush (see below quote)

ocelotrevs