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Old 28-05-2009: 28th May 2009 22:39 #1 
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Default Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Just started revising this chapter and I've realised I've pretty much forgotten all of it... I'll update this thread over the next few days with problems I can't solve and hopefully people will answer them, and maybe give tips on how to approach difficult integrations (these will come later!) My working are in spoilers just to save space, because there are probably >100 Qs in the textbook and I doubt I can do many of them

\displaystyle \int \mathrm{sech} 2x = \arctan e^{2x}

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sech(2x) = 1/cosh(2x) = ??

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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Originally Posted by DeanK22
sech(2x) = 1/cosh(2x) = ??

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Multiply top and bottom by cosh 2x is how I did it...

Aah, that's how you do it, I didn't think to multiply sech 2x by e^2x so I was left with something I thought I couldn't integrate :/

Got stuck on \displaystyle\int\dfrac{1}{2x^2 + 7x +3} - I can get a very similar answer to the \dfrac{1}{5}\ln\dfrac{2x+1}{x+3} given

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^ \dfrac{1}{5} \ln \dfrac{x + 1/2}{x + 3} = \dfrac{1}{5} \ln \dfrac{1}{2} \dfrac{2x + 1}{x + 3} = \dfrac{1}{5} \ln \dfrac{2x+1}{x+3} + \dfrac{1}{5} \ln \dfrac{1}{2}, and the 1/5 ln(1/2) is sucked up into the arbitrary constant. Your integration is correct.
 
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Thanks for the help so far

\displaystyle\int x\mathrm{arcosh}x\ dx = 0.25(2x^2 - 1)\mathrm{arcosh}x - 0.25x\sqrt{x^2-1} + C

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x = cosh u would work.
 
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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Originally Posted by Glutamic Acid
x = cosh u would work.

To get \int \sinh^2 u\ du? After changing it to cosh 2u, integrating and expanding I get something quite complicated That's using the arcosh x = ln ~ from the formula booklet.
 
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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Originally Posted by Zygroth
To get \int \sinh^2 u\ du? After changing it to cosh 2u, integrating and expanding I get something quite complicated That's using the arcosh x = ln ~ from the formula booklet.

That should work, but don't bother with any logarithms -- leave it in terms of inverse hyperbolic cosines.
 
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Originally Posted by Glutamic Acid
That should work, but don't bother with any logarithms -- leave it in terms of inverse hyperbolic cosines.

But I had to show that the answer = the one on the right

Anyway, just doing:

\displaystyle\int\frac{3-2x}{(3-x)^2} = -2\ln |x-3| + 3(x-3)^{-1}

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Originally Posted by Zygroth
But I had to show that the answer = the one on the right

Anyway, just doing:

\displaystyle\int\frac{3-2x}{(3-x)^2} = -2\ln |x-3| + 3(x-3)^{-1}

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\dfrac{3 - 2x}{3 - x} = \dfrac{6 - 2x - 3}{3 - x} = 2 - \dfrac{3}{3 - x}, and the 2 is sucked in the arbitrary constant again.
 
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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Surprised it's taken this long to find an integration I have absolutely no clue on where to start, and it looks so, so easy...

\dfrac{x+4}{x-4}

Haven't looked at the answer yet, any tips?
 
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Rewrite it as \dfrac{x - 4 + 8}{x - 4}, can you see what to do?
 
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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Originally Posted by Zygroth
But I had to show that the answer = the one on the right

Anyway, just doing:

\displaystyle\int\frac{3-2x}{(3-x)^2} = -2\ln |x-3| + 3(x-3)^{-1}

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To get the answer on the right in a conventional way, you could use
partial fractions.
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Default Re: Completely forgotten FP2 integration...
 
Originally Posted by Glutamic Acid
Rewrite it as \dfrac{x - 4 + 8}{x - 4}, can you see what to do?

It was too easy to spot I was expecting something more complicated

Seems I've forgotten how to integrate cos^4 x :/
 
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Originally Posted by Zygroth
It was too easy to spot I was expecting something more complicated

Seems I've forgotten how to integrate cos^4 x :/

Try \cos^4 x = (\cos^2 x)^2 = (\dfrac{1}{2}(1 + \cos 2x))^2; repeating the double angle formula shebang later.
 
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Originally Posted by Glutamic Acid
Try \cos^4 x = (\cos^2 x)^2 = (\dfrac{1}{2}(1 + \cos 2x))^2; repeating the double angle formula shebang later.

Hmm, I thought there might be some general way to integrate stuff like cos^n x

Just integrated cosech x/3, but it seems that ln tanh x/2 differentiates to cosech x - does anyone know of anything else like this I should learn? Cause there's no way I'd've been able to spot that in the exam
(Also, why isn't ln tan x/2 the integral of cosec x? :/ I tried it and it seemed fine...)
 
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Originally Posted by Zygroth
Hmm, I thought there might be some general way to integrate stuff like cos^n x

Just integrated cosech x/3, but it seems that ln tanh x/2 differentiates to cosech x - does anyone know of anything else like this I should learn? Cause there's no way I'd've been able to spot that in the exam
(Also, why isn't ln tan x/2 the integral of cosec x? :/ I tried it and it seemed fine...)

You can reduction formulae for cos^n; and usually even values of n are easier to integrate than odd ones. I wouldn't bother learning any actual integrals.

ln[tan(x/2)] is the integral of cosec x; if it says, in the formula booklet: - ln |cosec x + cot x| = - \ln \left| \dfrac{1}{\sin x} + \dfrac{\cos x}{\sin x} \right| = - \ln \left| \dfrac{1 + \cos x}{\sin x} \right| = - \ln \left| \dfrac{2 \cos^2 (x/2)}{2 \cos (x/2) \sin (x/2)} \right| = - \ln |\cot(x/2)| = \ln |\tan(x/2)|
 
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Ah, I was wondering...Anyway I've finished with these "easy" questions and am now faced with ~15 pretty difficult (IMO) ones My guess is I'll need help on all of them :/ Anyway:

Use the substitution u = 1/x to evaluate \displaystyle \int^2_{\frac{2}{\sqrt 3}} \dfrac{1}{x\sqrt{x^2-1}}

Trying to split it into partial fractions:

\dfrac{A}{x} + \dfrac{B}{\sqrt{x^2-1}} \Rightarrow A\sqrt{x^2-1} + Bx = 1
But I got no idea how to do it. If I let x = 1, then B = 1, but I don't know how to find A :/
 
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Originally Posted by Zygroth
Ah, I was wondering...Anyway I've finished with these "easy" questions and am now faced with ~15 pretty difficult (IMO) ones My guess is I'll need help on all of them :/ Anyway:

Use the substitution u = 1/x to evaluate \displaystyle \int^2_{\frac{2}{\sqrt 3}} \dfrac{1}{x\sqrt{x^2-1}}

Trying to split it into partial fractions:

\dfrac{A}{x} + \dfrac{B}{\sqrt{x^2-1}} \Rightarrow A\sqrt{x^2-1} + Bx = 1
But I got no idea how to do it. If I let x = 1, then B = 1, but I don't know how to find A :/

One can't use partial fractions, it's not a rational function. You'll need to use the substitution given.
 
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I need to use tan x/2 = t to integrate:

\dfrac{1}{3+5\cos x} and \dfrac{1}{5-3\cos x}

I seem to remember having a lesson on using tan x/2 to integrate trig things, but I can't remember it :/
 
 
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