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I cried at the end, cos i did a good question 4 too but parts 1b and 1c ****** me up.
Reply 41
Mr_Steve_Stifler
I only one wrote one counter-argument that said pressure groups were not getting too powerful in part 1c. The rest of the argument was me basically saying how they are getting too powerful.

for 1b i only wrote a couple of paragraphs about tactics and didn't even talk about the executive. For one bit i wrote about how they lobby judges decisions but the argument sucked as i couldn't think of the developments.

FFS.


Don't worry about it. It's done now nothing you can do about it. I forgot to add that pressure group had loads of access points and forgot litigation of courts as a method.

Don't worry about your part (c) There is not that much counter argument you could give about that so if you got one you should be okay. I don't think I done more than 2, I wrote that Pressure group only seek to influence government they can not implement policy on their own without influencing decision makers.

I bet you done better than you think.

Your mistake can't be worser than mine, for question 2 I talked about how Third parties can not attract successful candidate, despite talks from Ross Perot saying he will get Colin Powell, and I wrote for some strange stupid reason 'Enouch Powell' (a former Conservative MP gave the Rivers of Blood speech). I don't know why I wrote about him lol. Stupid school boy error :colondollar:
I did in jan too but needed better mark now. One in january was far far easier... 8 marker now was explain what singular and plural exectuive is...
stranger101
They were both okay actually. The questions were fairly varied and quite straightforward - now I hope that translate into a good grade *fingers crossed*.

On Gov4 I did question 3, and on Gov7 I did question 4, what about you? How did you find it in general?


gov 4 i did fine in. Just found 1a awkward.
gov 7 i knew i couldnt do lol. Just found it so hard but i feel i got half marks at least and thats all i need really... i did 2 for gov 4 and 4 for gov 7...
gov 7 4. i wrote about old labour are socialist etc etc and blair's new labour and policies which match the social dem or dem socialism...
Reply 44
Let start discussion for Gov 8.
**** it, i'm doin participation and representation for gov 8. My teacher gave me some top brass notes for it.
Mr_Steve_Stifler
**** it, i'm doin participation and representation for gov 8. My teacher gave me some top brass notes for it.


You got the notes handy to send my any chance? If ye can i have them please? :biggrin:.
Reply 47
Mr_Steve_Stifler
**** it, i'm doin participation and representation for gov 8. My teacher gave me some top brass notes for it.


This goes for everyone, if you have top class notes feel free to share with the rest. That's if you want.
I need to type them out, bear with me, we're all agreed on doing participation and representation?
ok, what is this module basically about? It's been a long time since i thought about this so i want this to be clear. Is it basically applying theories and drawing on knowledge from 2 years of study to prove them?
Reply 50
Mr_Steve_Stifler
I need to type them out, bear with me, we're all agreed on doing participation and representation?


No, not all of us. I will be looking to do Power but have been taught briefly about Participation and Representation.

Mr_Steve_Stifler
ok, what is this module basically about? It's been a long time since i thought about this so i want this to be clear. Is it basically applying theories and drawing on knowledge from 2 years of study to prove them?


Yeah, exactly. It is a synoptic unit.
Reply 51
Hi guys, sorry to go back to GOV5 but Van der Zak, if I could borrow your thoughts. I also did the same essay question as you. I tried to incorporate both discussion over the bit of the question that said 'all though both parties lack a coherent set of beliefs' and the 'dominance in politics of two main parties'. I wasn't sure where they wanted me to focus in the essay. So I hope I managed to do it without it appearing to be an erratic essay. It was like an extensive party strength and party weakness essay but .. not like one at all. Erm, not sure how to explain it. Essentially, how did you tackle the question is what I am asking :wink:.

I sensed the entire exam hall collectively **** themselves when we all read the word Initiative in 1a. 1b and 1c were good but I think I over did it and had to rush with mad writing skills to have enough time for the optional essay question! Like you Steve, I don't think I did enough counter arguments in 1c. I included a big chunk near the end where I critically analysed the power and influence they have and worded some sense of counter argument into my conclusion a little too. I don't think that's enough! Nor in 1b, but I am less bothered about 1b as it's a 12 marker and the demand to be unbiased never seemed as strong as the demand to knowledge.

Right! I am done moaning now. Haha!

Oh and for GOV8, I am definitely doing culture. I've ploughed too much time into culture over the past week or so not to do it now. I just feel much more comfortable with it.

Oh x2 - Does anyone know where I can find a sample of work of a GOV8 essay (ideally culture) so I can see the level of writing and critical analysis that really hits the top barrier? I started of confident and am now quite nervous about this exam.

Okay, I'm really done now :P.
Same as Humza, i want to see what an A grade gov8 looks like.
Btw, i'm one of the unlucky few that needs an A to get into uni. Thats how hard i'm working for this. I'm going to bed when i get this.
Reply 54
Humza
Hi guys, sorry to go back to GOV5 but Van der Zak, if I could borrow your thoughts. I also did the same essay question as you. I tried to incorporate both discussion over the bit of the question that said 'all though both parties lack a coherent set of beliefs' and the 'dominance in politics of two main parties'. I wasn't sure where they wanted me to focus in the essay. So I hope I managed to do it without it appearing to be an erratic essay. It was like an extensive party strength and party weakness essay but .. not like one at all. Erm, not sure how to explain it. Essentially, how did you tackle the question is what I am asking :wink:.

I sensed the entire exam hall collectively **** themselves when we all read the word Initiative in 1a. 1b and 1c were good but I think I over did it and had to rush with mad writing skills to have enough time for the optional essay question! Like you Steve, I don't think I did enough counter arguments in 1c. I included a big chunk near the end where I critically analysed the power and influence they have and worded some sense of counter argument into my conclusion a little too. I don't think that's enough! Nor in 1b, but I am less bothered about 1b as it's a 12 marker and the demand to be unbiased never seemed as strong as the demand to knowledge.

Right! I am done moaning now. Haha!

Oh and for GOV8, I am definitely doing culture. I've ploughed too much time into culture over the past week or so not to do it now. I just feel much more comfortable with it.

Oh x2 - Does anyone know where I can find a sample of work of a GOV8 essay (ideally culture) so I can see the level of writing and critical analysis that really hits the top barrier? I started of confident and am now quite nervous about this exam.

Okay, I'm really done now :P.


No worries, we can go and discuss Gov 5 but seeing as it is in 2 days time I thought it would be very helpful to attempt at discussing it today.

The way I answered question 2 was I first said that the US system is a two party system because no Third Party has won the Presidential election since 1856. I also despite the fact there is factions between the main party, they still seem to dominate the political system because of the electoral college, the ever embracing nature of the two main parties and the increasing use of Primaries.

I also went on to describe despite domination of the two main political parties they are Independents in the House of Senate.. like for example Senator Sanders and Liebermann...

Also went on to talk about the different types of third parties and examples. I also went on to discuss despite the domination of the two main parties.. third parties do exist and play a vital role in the Presidential Election illustrated on three occassion 1968, 1992 and 2000. In addition, I also went on to discuss what the US system don't have is third parties collecting a huge amount of votes to win the general election. I gave about eight reasons for this

(i)The Electoral College system discriminates against National Third parties because of the Winner Takes all system but Regional Third parties can do well like George Wallace did in 1968.

(ii) They are discriminated in the way they qualify for matching fund

(iii) They are discriminated against the way they appear in state ballot paper

(iv) They lack the resources and political donation from individuals and PAC's

(v) Lack the ability to attract attractive candidates.. used Ross Perot as an example where he said he will get Colin Powel (for some strange reason I wrote Enoch Powell, will the examiners mark me down and ignore the paragraph?) but had to settle for a former Admiral

(vi) They are considered be ideologically extremist.. if they werent they would appear under the umbrella of both parties.. used the example when Republicans said 'If you liked Hitler you will love George Wallace'

(vii) Lack of media publicity and barred from presidential debates

(viii) Cooptation of their famous policy like Bill Clinton took Ross Perot Flagship policy

However I argued there is no two party system, could be said to have a

(i) one party system.. some political commentators argue there is not a dime worth of difference

(ii) four party system.. congressional party is different then a presidential candidate of the same party.. some claim the President has to be 'moderate in nature'

(ii) 50 or 100 party system because of the decentralised nature of the US political parties

I also went to claim they are significant.. Ralph Nadar affected the 2000 outcome..

And concluded the US political system is dominated by the two main parties despite the increasing internal division/factions within the two main party.. but went on to suggest the influence third party have is 'sting like a bee and then die' i.e short term factor ala Ross Perot and suggested some third party candidate just want to be involved in policy agenda and debate ala George Wallace and Ross Perot...

That's how I went about answering the question


Oh and I totally agree with you I didn't like the first part of the question, and nearly spend loads of times on methods and didn't provide a collective and well sound balanced argument/analysis.

Hope that helped.
Reply 55
Yeah, I need an overall A to get into Uni most likely unless by some magical fluke that will break the laws of maths and get me a B in Physics from more UMS than my summer exams.

edit: Thanks Van, I did pretty much the same as you but opted to include only half the third party stuff for lack of bad timing on my behalf, even though I knew all the examples you gave. I wish I didn't waffle so much in Section 1.

But, seeing as we talked about similar stuff, I'm a lot more reassured! :biggrin:

GOV8 here we come :smile:.
Reply 56
Humza
Yeah, I need an overall A to get into Uni most likely unless by some magical fluke that will break the laws of maths and get me a B in Physics from more UMS than my summer exams.

edit: Thanks Van, I did pretty much the same as you but opted to include only half the third party stuff for lack of bad timing on my behalf, even though I knew all the examples you gave. I wish I didn't waffle so much in Section 1.

But, seeing as we talked about similar stuff, I'm a lot more reassured! :biggrin:

GOV8 here we come :smile:.


I need an A overall to go to University. My overall grade in Politics so far is an A, so I hope I maintain it.

Yeah, don't worry about it. Did you see my school boy error of confusing Enouch Powell with Colin Powell. Doh, Doh and Doh!!!.

Yeah, I am dreading Gov 8. I just hope the Power question is broad and not specific. I really hope you can link in the Judiciary.

For section 1 I forgot to put down about access points and 'dirty dozen list'. Doh, again!
Here is stuff that we have to know for participation and representation:

Definitions of key terms including:
Democracy (direct and indirect)
Participation
Representation and representative government)
Delegate
Mandate

Theories of representation
Burkean
Microcosmic
Delegate
Advocate
Mandate
Virtual

Theories of participation:
Pluralist, Neo-Pluralist and Hyper-pluralist)
Liberal, Neo-Liberal and Liberal-democratic
Marxist and neo-Marxist




Thats the quick version, I've got a lot more i want to share. Come on, chip in.
I want to see an A grade answer, thats the top priority at the minute.
Reply 58
Mr_Steve_Stifler
Here is stuff that we have to know for participation and representation:

Definitions of key terms including:
Democracy (direct and indirect)
Participation
Representation and representative government)
Delegate
Mandate

Theories of representation
Burkean
Microcosmic
Delegate
Advocate
Mandate
Virtual

Theories of participation:
Pluralist, Neo-Pluralist and Hyper-pluralist)
Liberal, Neo-Liberal and Liberal-democratic
Marxist and neo-Marxist




Thats the quick version, I've got a lot more i want to share. Come on, chip in.
I want to see an A grade answer, thats the top priority at the minute.


How about electoral reform? There is current discussion to adopt a PR system, will that increase participation and will that mean we as a people are better represented?

Talk about voting behaviour in the US and talk about there low turn out, could be due to 'democratic overload' or just difficulties in registering themselves.. talk about the methods that have been introduced to tackle this.
Van der Zak
How about electoral reform? There is current discussion to adopt a PR system, will that increase participation and will that mean we as a people are better represented?

Talk about voting behaviour in the US and talk about there low turn out, could be due to 'democratic overload' or just difficulties in registering themselves.. talk about the methods that have been introduced to tackle this.



Good stuff, at the minute i'm just trying to draw everything i've learnt together. Harder than it sounds!

And i'm also trying to find some very sophisticated arguments that i can blend into any essay. Also hard.

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