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Hi Guys,

I'm new and very excited by this site cos hopefully someone will be able to help me. I want to join the Navy as a Medical Officer and after the Acquaint I went on in Portsmouth we were told to go the Officer recruiting AFCO. I phoned them today and they told me to liase with Portsmouth because they are specialist medical recruiters!?!

Any ideas very welcome

Thanks

Soph
xxxx

Reply 61

*Jude*

Hey Guys,

Well i thought i'd reply to this thread...my first one ever. Someone was asking why ppl were interested etc. Well personaly theres nothing else i can think of that would give me such as buzz as to be in the navy. I go to a Naval school and am in the CCF so i've got a pretty good idea what naval life's all about...and i love it. I love the structure and everything...although we don't get a great deal of free time at my school as it's boarding it doesn't matter cause you're with your friends :smile:

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Okay was trying to keep itin but can't...also i went to RNAS Yeovilton and went for a flight in the back of a Hawk which was AMAZING!!!!!!!!! That was for the Trafalgar 200 flypast. But after my really really lucky experience i was able to get a real glimpse of Naval life at the officers mess etc and it was awesome, male dominated but awesome. At the officers mess it was great too...silver service baby!!! Yeah so after that i'm hooked!
It'd be cool to hear from any other potential candidates too, anyone else going into U6th and going to be applying for officer entry ths year want to talk!???? :confused:

Reply 62

djmm

When you're on ship, you get you're bed made for you :wink:

good uh?

Reply 63

GR4pilot

djmarkmclachlan

When you're on ship, you get you're bed made for you :wink:

good uh?

You do in RAF O's Mess too

Reply 64

BlackHawk

And if you're a good little officer they may even do your laundry :wink:

Reply 65

djmm

Ah, didnt know that.. well its a nice touch I think :smile:

Reply 66

BlackHawk

Have you ever read some of the stories of batting staff from WWII? It was pretty much having your own personal assistant who polished your shoes and did your ironing.

Reply 67

djmm

Nice, that'd do me :smile:

lol

Reply 68

matrix99

Yo all i was wounderin if sum1 could tell me what is different between a Weapon Engineering Artificer(WEA) and a Weapon Engineer Officer (WEO) I know WEO is an officer but what is different in job wise between em?? :ninja:

Reply 69

djmm

You cannot join as a WEO without an engineering degree, you may not actually become a WEA even if you join as one, theres been a big problem with a load of Tiff's leaving because they join as WEA's but when they get to Sultan to do their training they are then miraceously they are MEA, the WEO will know a load more about it in the engineering side compared to the WEA who will only know what he needs to know. And ofcourse the WEO tells the WEA what to do.

Mark.

Reply 70

REME-Bod

matrix99

WEA links..
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/3021.html then http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/3570.html

WEO link
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/3016.html

Reply 71

REME-Bod

djmarkmclachlan

Defenition of Amed Forces Artificer:

"The Artificer is defined as a Staff Sergeant or Warrant Officer who is competent (by virtue of their selection, education, training and subsequent experience) to exercise independent technical judgement. He must have leadership skills and be prepared to assume personal responsibility for carrying out military and engineering tasks. Successful completion of an artificer course confirms their potential for the highest non-commissioned rank. Their education and training is structured so as to enable them to understand and remedy failures both in equipments covered by their engineering discipline and others for which they have received no formal training, using general engineering and quality principles and established techniques. They perform duties at a higher level of responsibility than that of a technician or artisan, either independently or under the general direction of an Engineering Officer. They need the qualities of leadership to command, train, administer and motivate those under their command. They must ensure that they complete their military or technical tasks regardless of local circumstances and survive, fight and work in all phases of war. Intellectually they need to be aware of current political, social, military and technical affairs and will be able to represent them to their soldiers".

I'd say that any artificer has a bit more about him than just knowing "what he needs to know". This is true through all services. Most Enginerering Officers implement policy and rubber stamp the procedures carried out by their SNCO's or Senior Ratings. They are invariably unaware of the complexities of individual systems wheras the tiff will have hands on experience throughout his early career, followed by management responsibilities as he progresses up the ladder. All this management experience will e based on a thorough grounding and in depth knowledge of all engineering principles.

As an aside, many Artificers are usually more highly qualified than their EngOs because they have gotten off their arses and done an OU degree as well as getting IEng or even CEng status.

Reply 72

djmm

'The Artificer is defined as a Staff Sergeant or Warrant Officer' - I dont know where you got that from, thats totally farse. The Artificer course only goes to PO, No higher for any Artificer branch within the Navy.

'He must... be prepared to assume personal responsibility for carrying out military and engineering tasks.' - So does the AEM out there working on the front-line.

'completion of an artificer course confirms their potential for the highest non-commissioned rank' - As Ive stated above, it doesn't confirm that you are gonna make it to WO.

'Their education and training is structured so as to enable them to understand and remedy failures both in equipments covered by their engineering discipline and others for which they have received no formal training' - Umm.. they have recieved no formal education on how the hydraulics work, but they can work on it? Ludacris - If that Aircraft falls out the sky and the Aircrew die with it, and the guy working on it, overseeing the AB's and LH's doing maintenance to it isn't qualified.. you have any idea of the repercussions?

'They perform duties at a higher level of responsibility than that of a technician or artisan, either independently or under the general direction of an Engineering Officer' - I know I'm nit-picking here.. but - If a CPOAEM tells a POAEA what to do, he does it.

'They must ensure that they complete their military or technical tasks regardless of local circumstances and survive, fight and work in all phases of war' - As does the Stores Accountant.

'Intellectually they need to be aware of current political, social, military and technical affairs and will be able to represent them to their soldiers' - Ok, I'll take you're word on that.. The LAEA in charge of my block didn't have the first clue into whats happening.

I was an Air Engineering Technician selected for fast track promotion to Petty Officer and doing the Air Engineering Artificer course all of a month and a half ago doing a *Foundation* Degree in Aeronautical Engineering, compare that to the EngO who has a full degree. Yes, the Engineering Officer may not be out there getting his hands dirty, but he is where the buck stops, and the OU - some may.. most don't from experience of speaking to many of them on there Killicks/PO courses and my DO was a CPOAEA(M) and he doesn't, nor was the POAEA(L) who was teaching us the course.

Reply 73

REME-Bod

If you read my previous post you will notice that it defines "Armed Forces" Artificer, not just Navy. I know this is a Navy thread, and I appreciate the fact that Artificer's roles vary somewhat from service to service.

My point is that as an Artificer, the job responsibility goes a lot further than just doing a simple repair job. I work with a former RN Artificer, who left after 17years as a CPO. There was no way on this earth that his Enginireeing Officer could have comprehended his job, or prioritise tasks in operational circumstances. In addition, who do you think is really the one who gets subordinates onto promotion courses, adv trng, etc?

Your experience of Tiffies may not have been good, and admittedly some crab apples get through the net, but the whole reason that Artificers are fast tracked for prpomotion is that they show the potential and maturity to hold the rank and position. Generally speaking, to become an Artificer involves a fair few years work, experience and a proven track record. Even in RN, because a person is in a Tiffy trade, it doesn't necessarily make him a Tiffy.

Reply 74

*Jude*

Sad to see the Navy thread fading out, so i'm gonna try start it again. sooo...anyone going through the application process currently?

Reply 75

djmm

A chick friend of mine, for MA. :rolleyes:

Reply 76

skoot

I've just recently passed the AIB. Waiting on the result now, find out in September.

Reply 77

*Jude*

skoot

I've just recently passed the AIB. Waiting on the result now, find out in September.

So you've passed it, erm what result are you waiting for? What branch are you going in for?

Reply 78

skoot

*Jude*

So you've passed it, erm what result are you waiting for? What branch are you going in for?

Waiting to find out whether or not I have been accepted into Dartmouth. Passing the AIB does not guarantee entry into the Navy. I am applying for MEO (subs). Have you applied/applying for the Navy?

Reply 79

*Jude*

skoot

Waiting to find out whether or not I have been accepted into Dartmouth. Passing the AIB does not guarantee entry into the Navy. I am applying for MEO (subs). Have you applied/applying for the Navy?

Oh i see i didn't realise that. I sent my forms in last week, i'm going in for aircrew, so hopefully if my medical gets through i'll soon get a date for aptitude tests and AIB. When are you hoping to join up?