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POLL: Should people who retake year 12 still get EMA?

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DJkG.1
Why don't the government fund the school trips for children who are from families who cannot afford to pay?


They do...

DJkG.1
You see our point - most people who receive EMA are no where near as sensible as you and and several I know would never go on a school trip; why would they 'waste' the money they get for free when it could be spent on alcohol, cigarettes, weed and petrol - or so they assure me. :rolleyes:

God it angers me so much - I'd happily see them sleeping rough and eating out of bins any day. :mad:


Alcohol, cigarettes, petrol, the money all goes back to the government anyway :p:
mattbroon
No i wont ******* get over it.

Because when im older im not going to be forced to pay excessive amounts of tax, becasue some people want a laptop, and receive pay for an education for which ONLY they benefit from! Either it changes, or i will leave, and take my high salary and tax too! where would this country be without the wealth creators, for which these people who receive EMA think its their right to sponge off? Becasue the rich are privelidged and they are not. The rich are ony privelidged with one thing, and that is being hard workers. If only the working class new what that was.


Many of the working class ARE hard workers. You've clearly never, ever lived in a poor household.

"Either it changes or I will leave" - leave then. Nobody is forcing you to stay. There's plenty of other people here, you won't be missed. I doubt you'll get very far in life with that attitude any way.
Varciani
You act like you don't have any of these things yourself. A laptop is important for many people to study - if they needed it, then why can't they use their money for it? You seriously need to open your eyes to the world and see that there are people worse off than you, but are no worse than you and so deserve to be given the same extra treatment that you have been given by having a well off family.


Actually i dont have a laptop, and i would love to see any alevel course which demands a laptop is necessary. And even if i did have one, it would not be because the government had given me it, it would be becasue my parents had worked hard to get me it. I know parents working hard might be a foreign principle to people receiving EMA, but maybe they should learn the hard way.

I have bolded the biggest mistatement of your whole socialist ramble. you say "their" money for it? Im sorry but in what way is it "their" money. Apart form the fact that the government has decided to steal it off hard working people and give it to you, in no way it it theirs. It belongs to every working person in this country.
Reply 63
Aramiss18
You have to be taking the piss!! There are computers at school and the library not too mention these other things...damn what are they called.... oh yeh books, paper and pens.


Right, so, I'm guessing you have a computer/laptop, so you don't have to go out of your way to use it. People who don't have one will then have to trek over to a library - where in many they can only use it in hour slots - or stay in at school, where they may have to bring in extra resources for studying - say, a project for example. Why should these people have to go to all of this extra effort just because they don't have as much money to their name as you??
mattbroon
A laptop! You used other people's money so you could buy a laptop! Does that not make you feel even slightly guilty? I htink if your fair, you would admit that you haven't earned that money! Why should you be able to use other people's hard earned money to fund your own luxuries such as a trip to africa and a laptop!


Well I'm sorry but at the moment I'm just using the money I'm
(at present) allowed to get by the government, in the way I see best to do my work. Would you prefer that I spent it on cigarettes and alcohol and stuff and then become more of a drain on taxpayers by giving myself liver disease/lung cancer?

At least I'm doing something constructive with what I get. Are you telling me if you were from a low income family and were offered EMA you would refuse it?
Waterstorm
It's to help with studying, that's what it's there for. I probably wouldn't have internet if it wasn't for me getting EMA.

And by getting EMA isn't people 'stealing' money from other people. Money from tax goes into all sorts of things, the NHS, education, benefits, they aren't all stealing your money.


Well, people who take benefits are stealing.
About stealing money, so every person in the world who gets support from the goverment is stealing money? My family aren't exactly rich, but from all the support I've had I'm currently get on getting AAB and to do the degree I want to do, and at the uni I want to go to. People in poorer families aren't just all a bunch of people who don't work and put no effort in anything.
mattbroon
Well, people who take benefits are stealing.

No, there're not. There're getting help to have a decent standard of living. There're only stealing if there're getting it when they shouldn't be.
Reply 68
blueberrymuffin
Well most of the people going are taxpayers themselves, I don't know everyones occupations but its surprising the amount you can fundraise. All I'm saying is, getting EMA has allowed me to spend my wages on doing this rather than using it to pay for stuff at school. Oh, and it's not exactly a holiday.

Ok, maybe there are some hard-working people who'd never be able to afford it (maybe EMA equivalent would be subsidising their living costs or something), but whose to know if some of those minimum wage workers would have got better jobs because they got to stay on at school if EMA had been around for them?

No but it'll look damn good on a personal statement as you well know and your getting to go somewhere most people never ever go.

Im sure that makes those people down tesco who are scratching a living feel better-

"dear hard-worker,
We know your life is probably really **** and you work long hours and only just scratch a living but we would still like to tax you because we want to give the money to some kids who would like to go to Africa to boost their UNI Personal statement. I know its unfair as you will never get to go to africa on £5.48 and hour but i'm sure you'll agree that the people who went to school damn deserve it after all their hard work during their 6 hour long school days (whilst you work 40 hours a week).

Yous Sincerely

The tax-man.
I don't think people who retake year 12 should get it as they've already received the EMA for year 12, I think it'd be fairer to award EMA only once for a particular academic year, that would encourage people to work harder in the first place. When I finished year 12, most people who had failed were kicked out as we had a progression threshold they hadn't met but they just went to different colleges. The EMA system is heavily flawed, it's fundamentally a good idea but it's all too easily taken advantage of.
Reply 70
i have certian issues with EMA full stop...
but if you retake- then no, obviously if there was a valid reason, you know you are caring for someone diabled etc then obviously there may be exceptions
also if circumstances are difficult, some people do a-levels over 3 years, so again yes, EMA for that, but not because, oh i spent it, enjoyed my life and didn't work

but the thing is, 30 pounds a week vs a full time job. how many people actually decide to stay at school solely because of EMA, in a, oh i can afford school now way
maybe its where i live, but £30 wouldn't get you anywhere
Reply 71
mattbroon
Well your first point is actaully a complete lie. teh parents dont pay a penny. I quote from the website "claiming EMA wont affect you parents benefits, tax or wages".Ok i will refer to them as less well-off people: it doesn't make it a doctors responsibility to pay for a teenager to just turn up at school. School doesn't cost anything, people should't receive a slary for turning up. Why shouild i not receive EMA, when my paretns pay more tax than the people who do receive it?


woow u seem to show interest in gaining EMA :smile:...ask ur daddy to give u pocket money as u, an arrogant idiot, thinks that EMA shouldnt exist.

I came from germany, and as a fact germans who are very intelligent dont seem to go into higher education (university level) due to money problem. Having the opportunity to finance some1's education is amazing AND will pay the country back.

As a conclusion shut up :smile:
Varciani
Right, so, I'm guessing you have a computer/laptop, so you don't have to go out of your way to use it. People who don't have one will then have to trek over to a library - where in many they can only use it in hour slots - or stay in at school, where they may have to bring in extra resources for studying - say, a project for example. Why should these people have to go to all of this extra effort just because they don't have as much money to their name as you??


Eh its something called effort. Why should everything be so easy in life? This just encourages state dependency which will be a drain for the rest of their lives.

And i do this, and my parents are reasonably comfortable money wise.
Reply 73
mattbroon
No i wont ******* get over it.

Because when im older im not going to be forced to pay excessive amounts of tax, becasue some people want a laptop, and receive pay for an education for which ONLY they benefit from! Either it changes, or i will leave, and take my high salary and tax too! where would this country be without the wealth creators, for which these people who receive EMA think its their right to sponge off? Becasue the rich are privelidged and they are not. The rich are ony privelidged with one thing, and that is being hard workers. If only the working class new what that was.

"working class", that must be the most ironic term in the english language. Where do you plan to go to? South Korea/ Canada?
Reply 74
mattbroon
Eh its something called effort. Why should everything be so easy in life? This just encourages state dependency which will be a drain for the rest of their lives.

And i do this, and my parents are reasonably comfortable money wise.


Yeah, you make the effort to go to your room and do the work there. Nice and cushty, yeah?

'Reasonably comfortable'... pfft. Pompous tit.
mogerman
woow u seem to show interest in gaining EMA :smile:...ask ur daddy to give u pocket money as u, an arrogant idiot, thinks that EMA shouldnt exist.
I came from germany, and as a fact germans who are very intelligent dont seem to go into higher education (university level) due to money problem. Having the opportunity to finance some1's education is amazing AND will pay the country back.

As a conclusion shut up :smile:


Its lovely to see the intelligent nature of the people who receive EMA.

Its also lovely to see the deep envy they have for those more well off, forgetting that they rely so heavily on these very people.

you are a pathetic dependent, who is a taker, and not a giver... you should feel guilty for the money you have stolen off people who are bothering to work hard.
Reply 76
Varciani
Right, so, I'm guessing you have a computer/laptop, so you don't have to go out of your way to use it. People who don't have one will then have to trek over to a library - where in many they can only use it in hour slots - or stay in at school, where they may have to bring in extra resources for studying - say, a project for example. Why should these people have to go to all of this extra effort just because they don't have as much money to their name as you??


Yes i have a laptop a pretty flash one aswell - paid for by my parents who work damn hard.

Those are silly excuses - so you need to deal with timeslots its hardly the end of the world and is certainly not bad enough to justify expecting the tax-payer to pay for it. Not when people pay council tax and income tax to pay for librarys and schools to have computers for you to study on in the first place :rant:
jklmn
"working class", that must be the most ironic term in the english language. Where do you plan to go to? South Korea/ Canada?


Yes working calss is an ironic term, becasue half of them actually seem NOT to work! i feel sorry for the other half, who pay taxes to fund someone else to get a laptop which is supposidly "necessary" for their education. It makes me feel sick.

I plan to go somewhere where i can make money without having half of it stolen off me, so that the governemt can decide how to spend it better. Australia maybe.
Reply 78
Jealous, much?
mattbroon
Well your first point is actaully a complete lie. teh parents dont pay a penny. I quote from the website "claiming EMA wont affect you parents benefits, tax or wages".

Ok i will refer to them as less well-off people: it doesn't make it a doctors responsibility to pay for a teenager to just turn up at school. School doesn't cost anything, people should't receive a slary for turning up. Why shouild i not receive EMA, when my paretns pay more tax than the people who do receive it?

You have to consider the technicality here, what happens is, when we hit 16 the government remove a benefit from parents income, its a standard thing. Therefore the government see this as just the regular activity with parents incomes, therefore it can be classed as not affecting the parents income even tho the money for ema actually is just the benefit that is removed and distributed to the children. tax payers do not pay for ema.

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