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Reply 1
Why do you want one? The admissions staff and interviews can clearly see someone who's been "trained" for Oxbridge interviews. They'll just ignore all of that and decide on whether you have the potential or not for Oxbridge, rather than seeing how many things you know.
Reply 2
EconProf
Have you or your parents ever hired one? IF so what do they charge? In the US, I have seen the top prices range from $16K-25K/year.

Please spill the beans!!


Grief, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole really. If not a complete waste of money it's certainly close. In all fairness if you aren't capable of getting into Oxbridge without an "admissions consultant" then is it a good idea to apply?? Having said that I would advise anyone to try and apply if they really want to come. Instead of admissions consultants, see what your school/college can do to help you and try and read as much advice as you can. These interviews are looking for your natural talent at the subject you apply for, not something that can be easily coached.
Reply 3
There really isn't that kind of culture over here - there is only one organisation that I know of, Oxbridge Admissions or something similar, and they just help with personal statements or interview technique for about £800, or so the people on this board have said. It's nothing like the US where you get consultants for SATs and all those admissions essays etc etc...
Reply 4
Actually I would say for alot of subjects, the training to think with clarity, and articulate, along with the overall confidence boost would benefit certain people. Alot of the time schools do this anyway.
Reply 5
don't bother... well, only bother if you are the borderline candidates. A guy from my sixth form who was deemed "no chance" by just about everyone who knew him, got a little help from some "friends" and he got in.

The way things work in the US just seems wrong. To quote Col. Frank Fitts "This country is going straight to hell." well...:redface:.
Actually, Raphael, Oxbridge Applications offer just about every service you could possibly want - interview training etc is just one of the more popular packages.
I don't like the principle of these things - paying extra money to ensure you're supposedly brighter. THe people who use this and get in are stopping people who would have gotten in off their own backs and on their own merits - it's the worst kind of spoonfeeding.

On the other hand, if you're willing to spend the money, it can't hurt, but you can probably get most of it free anyway - on here, on the oxbridge-admissions website, and just from generally being intellectually curious.
Mortoman
Grief, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole really. If not a complete waste of money it's certainly close. In all fairness if you aren't capable of getting into Oxbridge without an "admissions consultant" then is it a good idea to apply?? Having said that I would advise anyone to try and apply if they really want to come. Instead of admissions consultants, see what your school/college can do to help you and try and read as much advice as you can. These interviews are looking for your natural talent at the subject you apply for, not something that can be easily coached.


I don't understand why anyone would want one anyway. Admissions tutors aren't stupid. They can see potential even when you think you sound like an idiot in an interview, so I think it's fair to say that they can see through a thin veneer of training. With the questions they ask, anyway, I don't see how training helps at all. I mean, what was I meant to say to..."what do you think of cave paintings?" I doubt an admissions consultant would have helped with that.
Reply 9
ThePants999
Oxbridge Applications offer just about every service you could possibly want


please say I'm not the only person who had the 'dirty thoughts' part of their brain kick into action when they read that...
Mop
please say I'm not the only person who had the 'dirty thoughts' part of their brain kick into action when they read that...


No, you're not. I immediately thought of the Oxbridge Escorts website.
Reply 11
WhatFreshHell?
I don't like the principle of these things - paying extra money to ensure you're supposedly brighter. THe people who use this and get in are stopping people who would have gotten in off their own backs and on their own merits - it's the worst kind of spoonfeeding.

On the other hand, if you're willing to spend the money, it can't hurt, but you can probably get most of it free anyway - on here, on the oxbridge-admissions website, and just from generally being intellectually curious.


I think it raises a very interesting question about admissions. If you acknowledge that this kind of tutoring works, it's only the kind of tutoring you'd find in a very oxbridge focused top school, so if a private company could offer this and it be effective then I think you have to acknowledge that the admissions system is generally unfair.

However, having thought about that argument I'm now not so convinced that they could be effective.
fishpaste
I think it raises a very interesting question about admissions. If you acknowledge that this kind of tutoring works, it's only the kind of tutoring you'd find in a very oxbridge focused top school, so if a private company could offer this and it be effective then I think you have to acknowledge that the admissions system is generally unfair.

However, having thought about that argument I'm now not so convinced that they could be effective.


It's amazing though, how people feel the need to use such services. I didn't get help from my school in any real way, in preparation for the interview, or anything. Yet I got in. Evidently it proves that training isn't what they're looking for.
Reply 13
xx_ambellina_xx
It's amazing though, how people feel the need to use such services. I didn't get help from my school in any real way, in preparation for the interview, or anything. Yet I got in. Evidently it proves that training isn't what they're looking for.

Well clearly they're not *looking* for people who have been trained. That's no secret. The question is, can consultants improve your chances of admission?
Reply 14
Thanks for your replies. Yes, big biz in the US. If you feel the cost justifies the premium you attach to a brand university, then I suspect it has the potential to be worth it to you.

Cheers...
Indeed, and a four-figure number of people each year now consider Oxbridge Applications' services to be worth it to them.
Whilst admissions consultants might seem like a good idea on paper, it rather implies that the candidate isn't good enough on their own merits. The point has been raised already, but it seems worth reiterating, Oxford and Cambridge are looking for the most able people and trying to get an edge over other applicants in terms of training is irrelevant. Admissions tutors have been conducting interviews for many years and can pick up on the fake identity that admission consultants will leave you with. If you aren't yourself for instance, how can you make your enthusiasm for the subject or aptitute for your subject apparent? It's a question to think about at least for all those even considering an Admissions Consultant though my own opinion is: Leave Well Alone!
oriel historian
Whilst admissions consultants might seem like a good idea on paper, it rather implies that the candidate isn't good enough on their own merits. The point has been raised already, but it seems worth reiterating, Oxford and Cambridge are looking for the most able people and trying to get an edge over other applicants in terms of training is irrelevant. Admissions tutors have been conducting interviews for many years and can pick up on the fake identity that admission consultants will leave you with. If you aren't yourself for instance, how can you make your enthusiasm for the subject or aptitute for your subject apparent? It's a question to think about at least for all those even considering an Admissions Consultant though my own opinion is: Leave Well Alone!


heeeheeeheeee...*pokes*
We've had the debate about their usefulness many times before and I'm afraid I don't have the time to re-hash the "pro" argument again - a search for "oxbridge applications" should reveal all.
ThePants999
We've had the debate about their usefulness many times before and I'm afraid I don't have the time to re-hash the "pro" argument again - a search for "oxbridge applications" should reveal all.


This is a discussion forum and TSR is constantly getting new members. Maybe some people here don't want to read a several month old debate, but want to participate in a fresh debate. To be honest, most of us probably don't care about the "old" debate, and if you don't care about the "new" debate then don't get involved.

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