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Re: McLaren's new driver...?bit off topic but okay.(Original post by ahmadjan3)
i don't get the comic in your sig
care to explain
You know these people that shoot birds for fun?
and the kids are playing duck, duck, goose.
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?Like Alonso? Who as World Champion got ****** over so badly by Ron for nooby he walked out of the team he had dreamed of racing for as a boy? I recall McLaren losing that Drivers Championship because of it. McLaren won't let a driver challenge Lewis repeatedly, not yet.(Original post by Biznatch)
Heikki needs to go he's wasting one space out of the 20 which is a big loss considering we could have seen an even better season last year had McLaren had a great driver who was also contending for the championship. -
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?hmm. this is lewis hamilton who won the 'mclaren mercedes champions of the future' in cadet in 96, and then junior yamaha MMCOFT in 97. he was signed on to McLaren Mercedes Drivers programme for 1999 after racing in the italian championship, finishing 4th in 98. want to know who he was racing for in 96/97? Martin Hines as part of the Zip Young Guns. want to know who created the MMCOFT? Martin Hines. so, his success has always been tied with mclaren, apart from his first championship in 95, the one where his now famous meeting with ron took place. also, if you think their drivers programme has little to do with the team as a whole, you are vastly mistaken. mclaren put their drivers where they want them. they put him in mgm, and then manor, asm and then art, all the leading teams of the time in their classes.(Original post by Biznatch)
Lewis has been accustomed to the McLaren team since he was 13 years old...are you kidding me? He was sponsored by them in their young drivers development program, his early years in actual racing could not have been any less related to McLaren...I didn't know Lewis raced for McLaren's own karting team? or their own F3 team? or the McLaren GP2 team? presumingly with the same team members and engineers that are currently present in the F1 team? Surely that's what you're getting at if he's 'been with the team' for 13 years? The fact that he was sponsored by them doesn't make him any more accustomed to the actual team than any other new driver...perhaps better relationship with Ron Dennis but that's not a team.
I just can't believe you come out with this...because he's been with them since he was 13 so he is accustomed to the team?
speaking of the Young Guns, and drivers signed by McLaren. watch out for Oliver Rowlands. i watched this kid race as a novice in cadet at rowrah and three times in three heats win from starting at the back, ahead of established super1 drivers, back when super 1 was good. was the same weekend i won my first race. granted he had been testing with the super1 kids long before he was old enough as his dad was some bigwig in it and just let him pootle round. he's also gone the ZYG/MM route. incidentally, i think the first driver to come out of that chain, was Coulthard.... -
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?Hard work isn't related to luck! Otherwise does this mean Sutil etc aren't trying as hard?!???? I wouldn't say he has worked especially hard compared to other drivers; he was groomed from an early age with support from Ron Dennis and straight away joined the top team. If you compare this to the likes Kimi Räikkönen who spent on a season at Sauber before taking the McLaren drive and preventing Heidfeld from getting it (as many thought would happen). This is earning a seat via hard work.(Original post by El Stevo)
the harder you work, the luckier you get. hamilton worked damn hard to get where he was. he's a bit of a cock imho, but he is a monster of a driver.
I am not arguing that Hamilton is a bad driver, he is decent just not as good as many believe him to be. Also all the Senna comparison rubbish he does...
I never said Button was more talented than Hamilton, but rather he comes across better. None of the drivers I mentioned have had a strong drive gifted to them as early as Hamilton has, compared to other drivers. Furthermore Hamilton always cracks when he is really tested - what I am saying is that is all the drivers were in identical cars I believe Hamilton would be top 10 but only just. The last race he was 13th where he deserved to be!(Original post by ahmadjan3)
exactly if you don't have a good car you don't win in F1 simple. same as button in 2007 and 2008 he had a bad car did he win? no.
and for the drivers mentioned put them in the same car as lewis i think lewis will do as good as them if not better. and for massa he had a better car throughout 2008 his team cocked it up.
Before anyone says I'm biased I support Jacques Villeneuve, Kubica and Sato! Actually Villeneuve should take the McLaren drive with Hakkinen, a veteran dream team!
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?(Original post by Hexasol)
bit off topic but okay.
You know these people that shoot birds for fun?
and the kids are playing duck, duck, goose.
Duck, bird shooting, goose, gun, guy with gun... i didn't know the game googled it now i get it 
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?why would mclaren not allow anyone race lewis? don't you remember manoco 2007 they decided that alonso would win the race before the race(Original post by El Stevo)
Like Alonso? Who as World Champion got ****** over so badly by Ron for nooby he walked out of the team he had dreamed of racing for as a boy? I recall McLaren losing that Drivers Championship because of it. McLaren won't let a driver challenge Lewis repeatedly, not yet.
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?that is just sour grapes(Original post by Transatlantic Flight)
Hard work isn't related to luck! Otherwise does this mean Sutil etc aren't trying as hard?!???? I wouldn't say he has worked especially hard compared to other drivers; he was groomed from an early age with support from Ron Dennis and straight away joined the top team. If you compare this to the likes Kimi Räikkönen who spent on a season at Sauber before taking the McLaren drive and preventing Heidfeld from getting it (as many thought would happen). This is earning a seat via hard work.
I am not arguing that Hamilton is a bad driver, he is decent just not as good as many believe him to be. Also all the Senna comparison rubbish he does...
I never said Button was more talented than Hamilton, but rather he comes across better. None of the drivers I mentioned have had a strong drive gifted to them as early as Hamilton has, compared to other drivers. Furthermore Hamilton always cracks when he is really tested - what I am saying is that is all the drivers were in identical cars I believe Hamilton would be top 10 but only just. The last race he was 13th where he deserved to be!
Before anyone says I'm biased I support Jacques Villeneuve, Kubica and Sato! Actually Villeneuve should take the McLaren drive with Hakkinen, a veteran dream team!
if mclaren wasn't sure that he would be up to the task they wouldn't have chosen him and the reason other drivers are not picked by top team because they are not sure they handle it thats why. and are you telling me that mclaren were going to give him a drive knowing that he will not perform, why on earth would mclaren do that. and you are telling me that you know more than a team that has been racing for more 30 years
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?(Original post by Biznatch)
That doesn't make him accustomed to the FORMULA 1 McLaren team halfwit. This is so stupid, people are actually debating whether Lewis was used to the McLaren team from his early years. Complete rubbish, he was well associated with the team but that couldn't have allowed him to get used to the F1 world any easier, or at least compared to a guy who's had a year in F1 regardless of the team.
I have to say I'm disappointed with this motorsport forum, of all that I'm part of this has by far the most looneys. And are you saying you've raced in similar leagues to Lewis? I couldn't make much of your post it seems all jibberish, very poor sentence construction.
(BTW, your avatar pic reminds me of a george clooney look a like paedophile?)
EDIT: I've just researched all the facts you've given and clearly you've read it all off and copied it from somewhere, specifically one site where it is so so obvious you just nicked all the info from.. why pass it off as your own? Ha ha didn't think anyone would catch you out?
and FYI, in case you copied wrong...you mention Martin Hines being part of Lewis Hamilton's early career, which he was indeed, but that did not have any connection with McLaren, that person owned a kart manufacturing company and helped finance his career...so how does that make him have close ties to McLaren? You just like to throw around pointless facts of very unknown names in the assumption that nobody will know any of it to be able to challenge it and prove you wrong? Get a life seriously dude, it's one thing having a debate but what you just did is just plain old sad.
Oh you're argentinian?...no wonder, explains the looney behaviour.
this guy is a joker
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?and what happened to lewis? he went crying off to the media and the whole relationship between him and alonso soured. it's called learning from mistakes...(Original post by ahmadjan3)
why would mclaren not allow anyone race lewis? don't you remember manoco 2007 they decided that alonso would win the race before the race.
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?lewis won the cadet championship in 95, and brought himself under ron's nose. he then won it again in 96 and another championship in 97, before moving countries and coming close again. it was this hard work that got him signed to mclaren. it was this time where his dad was working 3 jobs 37 hours a day or whatever it was. mclaren signed him on, which meant getting good drives and sponsorship a lot easier, but had he not been up to the mark, he would have been dropped, as countless others have been. he was given the best opportunities, and he took them. he deserves where he has got and what he has won, that's not to say though, no-one else deserves more or couldnt have done the same in his place.(Original post by Transatlantic Flight)
Hard work isn't related to luck! Otherwise does this mean Sutil etc aren't trying as hard?!???? I wouldn't say he has worked especially hard compared to other drivers; he was groomed from an early age with support from Ron Dennis and straight away joined the top team. -
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Re: McLaren's new driver...?Na it's cool I'll spare you this one time...besides I think it's time to drink you know what out of you know who...(Original post by El Stevo)
continue it by pm if you want. is all too amusing watching you fail.
You know for a user that's been on here for so long you're actually quite surprisingly defensive, probably not used to having people question your holyness. Anyway, was fun...I'm sure when more motorsport threads arise we can start it all over again.
Oh by the way, can you neg rep me? It would mean extra special to me coming from you, the racer 
