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Yeps, thats what I mean, but its better than doing the masters afterwards which would be an extra two years.
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Yeps, thats what I mean, but its better than doing the masters afterwards which would be an extra two years.

That's an undergraduate master's course, though. As far as I'm aware, they don't exist for social sciencey subjects, so transferring wouldn't really be an option for the OP.
pink_cait
Yeps, thats what I mean, but its better than doing the masters afterwards which would be an extra two years.


It's still not equivalent to a postgrad Master's qualification
Um ok. Well for Chemistry if I do a four year masters course (i cud start a BSc and switch at the end of the second year), then I come out and the end with the same qualification as if I did a 3 year BSc then 2 year masters. But ok.
pink_cait
Um ok. Well for Chemistry if I do a four year masters course (i cud start a BSc and switch at the end of the second year), then I come out and the end with the same qualification as if I did a 3 year BSc then 2 year masters. But ok.


Yes, you can do that in the sciences, but not in other subjects. (And technically it's not the same as doing a 2-year masters, since those are so rare - Mres or MPhils are a higher qualification than an undergraduate MSci).
pink_cait
Um ok. Well for Chemistry if I do a four year masters course (i cud start a BSc and switch at the end of the second year), then I come out and the end with the same qualification as if I did a 3 year BSc then 2 year masters. But ok.


Not necessarily - as Ilex has pointed out the 2 year courses are an even higher qualification.

Your four year course I'd imagine is an MChem or the MSci

If you did a normal 3 year course then a MSc - you'd have a BSc and the MSc which not exactly the same as having a MSci or MChem.

To any postgrad admissions offices or employers who knew the system you having MChem on your CV just says that you've done a 4 year course instead of a 3 year and the actual MSc course. There is a difference.
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To answer the first question a minimum of a 2.1 at undergrad level is needed. I recently have been offered a place without a masters. The reason was that I had a suited specialist option choice at undergrad hence I was lucky.

A "undergrad masters" in geology is known as an Msci amongst others. It is effectivly an extra year but with a large project emphasis. So you effectly have one degree instead of two. Employers and departments look on this with a positive light but do not consider it on par with a postgrad masters albeit wrongly in my opinion.

If you are applying for a PhD you have to place emphasis on your project or dissertation it helps if its relevant to the project you are applying for.

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