[CJ]

Hi,

As you may or may not know, the TSR Wiki's graduate employers page is currently undergoing changes, intending to help inform gradutes regarding potential employment and relevent employer information.

Graduate Employer Guides

If you have successfully applied to one of the listed graduate employers, we would like to hear your experiences of doing so, giving readers an insight into the process as well as advice from those who have gone through it.

Adding information to the Wiki is simple, simply select the link for the employer you wish to edit, scroll down to the 'Experiences' area of the page and select the [edit] link on the right hand side. You can then input your details, select save and the page will then be saved. If you have any problems either refer to the Editing Help link or feel free to ask any questions in the Wiki forum.

For quick reference, those most applicable for Government and Civil Service are as follows:
Civil Service
--->Fast Stream
--->Non-Fast Stream
Foreign Office
GCHQ
Local Government
MI5
Ministry of Defence
Police


Many thanks, we look forward to hearing your experiences of applying to such prominent graduate employers.

Finally, those that contribute will be rewarded riches dependent on the contribution made. To earn enough riches for a months subscription for example, requires a paragraph for each section. Simply post in this thread when you have added your content and you will expect to have riches added in the near future.

Regards,

- Chris

[Prince Rhyus]

(Original post by -CJ-)
Hi,

...

For quick reference, those most applicable for Government and Civil Service are as follows:
Civil Service
Foreign Office
GCHQ
Local Government
MI5
Ministry of Defence
Police


Many thanks, we look forward to hearing your experiences of applying to such prominent graduate employers.
....
Regards,

- Chris

Chris,

Please can you restructure the Government and the Civil Service pages as the way it is currently set up makes it difficult for TSRers to find out what they need.

The Civil Service has over 400,000 people in it and the number and types of roles are almost as varied.

There are a series of different routes into the civil service and as the structure stands, it's difficult to populate it without confusing people.

It would be helpful for people to separate the Fast Stream from the non-Fast Stream entry routes. The MoD and Foreign Office need to be incorporated into the Fast Stream, while the Government Economic Service, Legal Service and Technology in Business (TiB) need to be separated from it as they are much more distinctive than the "diplomatic services" route - the latter being an extension of the Fast Stream rather than a separate route.

[Quady]

Right on brother!

And statistics, also the HR route is starting from 09.

If you're to have Diplomatic Service then you need Clerks of the House of Commons and Clerks of the House of Lords and the science routes.

[CJ]

(Original post by Prince Rhyus)
Chris,

Please can you restructure the Government and the Civil Service pages as the way it is currently set up makes it difficult for TSRers to find out what they need.

The Civil Service has over 400,000 people in it and the number and types of roles are almost as varied.

There are a series of different routes into the civil service and as the structure stands, it's difficult to populate it without confusing people.

It would be helpful for people to separate the Fast Stream from the non-Fast Stream entry routes. The MoD and Foreign Office need to be incorporated into the Fast Stream, while the Government Economic Service, Legal Service and Technology in Business (TiB) need to be separated from it as they are much more distinctive than the "diplomatic services" route - the latter being an extension of the Fast Stream rather than a separate route.

Ok, that shouldn't be a problem. I'll have a tinker tomorrow and seperate them up.

Just to clarify (due to my lack of knowledge) would seperating the the general "Civil Service" as it is now into "Fast Stream" and "Non-Fast Stream" divisions be enough or would that require the further breakdowns?

I wouldn't like it to get too broken down for people, but as you've pointed out, there certainly needs to be a bit of seperation for such a wide ranging set of roles.

[Prince Rhyus]

Hi Chris,

Basically the Fast Stream is the only civil service-wide programme aimed at recruiting graduates into the "generalist" (i.e. non-specialist such as legal, economic, IT, HR etc) roles that we have. As such, the civil service has developed the "Fast Stream" as a brand to market to universities.

The "non-Fast Stream" route is one that is more diverse depending on the department that does the employing, though this is very much dependent on budgets and the view of the political administration at the time. Jobs are posted either at http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/jobs/index.aspx or in the press closest to where the offices are.

In that route I'm tempted to put the details of temping agencies that supply departments - most of them are on Victoria Street SW1. Many people have gained experience as temps which has served them well at interview.

[CJ]

(Original post by Prince Rhyus)
Hi Chris,

Basically the Fast Stream is the only civil service-wide programme aimed at recruiting graduates into the "generalist" (i.e. non-specialist such as legal, economic, IT, HR etc) roles that we have. As such, the civil service has developed the "Fast Stream" as a brand to market to universities.

The "non-Fast Stream" route is one that is more diverse depending on the department that does the employing, though this is very much dependent on budgets and the view of the political administration at the time. Jobs are posted either at http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/jobs/index.aspx or in the press closest to where the offices are.

In that route I'm tempted to put the details of temping agencies that supply departments - most of them are on Victoria Street SW1. Many people have gained experience as temps which has served them well at interview.

Excellent, thanks for that.

I'll make sure to add both of those streams in and report back here when i've done so. Thanks again

[CJ]

Cool, i've now linked through from the general "Civil Service" through to the fast stream and non-fast stream which I hope helps narrow down the options for people.
I can appreciate it still might be quite broad, so will change further if either get too full with info/experiences.

[Prince Rhyus]

Chris, grateful if you could format http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...on_Fast_Stream as I can't get it to be set out in the way I typed it!

Ta

PR

[CJ]

(Original post by Prince Rhyus)
Chris, grateful if you could format http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...on_Fast_Stream as I can't get it to be set out in the way I typed it!

Ta

PR

Brilliant, thanks a lot for that Have tinkered with the formatting so not a problem.
You should have the riches for a sub now as well.

[Kew]

Is there nowhere to add non-civil service experience of the House of Lords? I'm working there (as the graduate trainee assistant archivist) until the end of September. My particular job is quite a specialist one (only open to applicants wanting to become an archivist/records manager) but I know for a fact that plenty of other jobs in the House are mainstream, non-civil service and open to standard graduates.

[CJ]

(Original post by Kew)
Is there nowhere to add non-civil service experience of the House of Lords? I'm working there (as the graduate trainee assistant archivist) until the end of September. My particular job is quite a specialist one (only open to applicants wanting to become an archivist/records manager) but I know for a fact that plenty of other jobs in the House are mainstream, non-civil service and open to standard graduates.

Hi Kew,

I'm really ignorent of how the Civil Service operates, but at the moment we have a 'Fast steam' and Non Fast stream breakdown for the Civil Service. Do you think it could fit into one of them or needs a new category?
I don't want there to end up with tonnes of different breakdowns, but if it is totally different those 2 options currently there then there deffo needs to be a change

Let me know and I can then sort that out no problem

[Kew]

(Original post by -CJ-)
Hi Kew,

I'm really ignorent of how the Civil Service operates, but at the moment we have a 'Fast steam' and Non Fast stream breakdown for the Civil Service. Do you think it could fit into one of them or needs a new category?
I don't want there to end up with tonnes of different breakdowns, but if it is totally different those 2 options currently there then there deffo needs to be a change

Hi,

To be honest I'm not 100% certain either, but I'm pretty sure that although I qualify for a civil service pension, I'm not *actually* civil service. It's pretty confusing, really, particularly when Parliament is involved! I know most of the Clerks (and possibly assistant Clerks) of the House are fast stream, but I don't think anyone else is. To be honest I think it would be better to have an entirely separate section for Parliament, as it is quite a strange beast when it comes to employment. You could have sub-sections for the House of Lords, the House of Commons and one for people who want to work directly for MPs/Peers (eg. as Parliamentary researchers, secretaries etc.)

[CJ]

(Original post by Kew)
Hi,

To be honest I'm not 100% certain either, but I'm pretty sure that although I qualify for a civil service pension, I'm not *actually* civil service. It's pretty confusing, really, particularly when Parliament is involved! I know most of the Clerks (and possibly assistant Clerks) of the House are fast stream, but I don't think anyone else is. To be honest I think it would be better to have an entirely separate section for Parliament, as it is quite a strange beast when it comes to employment. You could have sub-sections for the House of Lords, the House of Commons and one for people who want to work directly for MPs/Peers (eg. as Parliamentary researchers, secretaries etc.)

Hmmm is a tad confusing and I think i'll have to look into it.

But for now i've created a Parliament page for experiences only, so if you could fill that in that'd be grand!
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...ice_Parliament

Any other issues just say!

[Kew]

(Original post by -CJ-)
Hmmm is a tad confusing and I think i'll have to look into it.

But for now i've created a Parliament page for experiences only, so if you could fill that in that'd be grand!
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...ice_Parliament

Any other issues just say!

Thanks - but the page you've created is for 'Civil Service Parliament', and my job isn't really civil service...

[CJ]

(Original post by Kew)
Thanks - but the page you've created is for 'Civil Service Parliament', and my job isn't really civil service...

Ooops, I misread your post

Since we have a 'Local Government' I was thinking 'National Government' could work in that case?

I made http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...t_-_Parliament

I hope that's better, although I will most likely end up chopping and changing stuff around when I have more time to reorganise

[Kew]

(Original post by -CJ-)
Ooops, I misread your post

Since we have a 'Local Government' I was thinking 'National Government' could work in that case?

I made http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...t_-_Parliament

I hope that's better, although I will most likely end up chopping and changing stuff around when I have more time to reorganise

No problem.

Technically Parliament as an institution is separate from the Government - it isn't a Government Department, after all, and has a separate role (ie. legislative not executive). Also, surely national government is already served by the 'civil service' section?

Sorry to keep quibbling - I don't mean to pester you! I'll still fill in about my experiences, and then if when you reorganise things you want me to write again, then I will.

[CJ]

Not a problem, I'll have I think

Thanks though! I'll add the riches now

[g2da3]

This is what ive been looking for, for a good week or so, Well done TSR !! always seem to be there (from starting Uni - ending uni) lol

[Aerasay]

Hi,
If you add a Government Legal Service (which is completely separate from fast stream but is graduate so probably needs a separate section from non-fast stream) Ill add my 2 cents!