TSR Veggie Society

It's really not fine when you consider the amount of death necessary to the production of the cheese. There's no moral difference as far as I can see.

I know that vegetarians in this society often don't like it when vegans start differentiating on this thread. But to see so many posts saying 'omg I love halloumi' is just as irritating as seeing 'I love bacon' threads; why should there be any moral distinction between the two products? Both are products of vast amounts of needless death, suffering, and exploitation. Whether or not the end product contains the dead animal doesn't change the fact that the animals are dying for that product.

Try being vegan, then you'll know the meaning of misdirected meat-eater rage But also, on a more serious note, try being vegan. (See above comments). We get a lot of hate not only from meat-eaters but a fair few vegetarians too for identical reasons. If you're veggie for ethical reasons, I'd encourage you to look into the equally bad ethical problems with eggs and dairy - they are just yuck. I recommend the book Vegan Freak if you're interested - it's great on the issues themselves, but really helpful too on how to deal with antagonists and people who just want to be *******s to you for the crime of acting on your principles. It's also really cool and funny

Try being vegan, then you'll know the meaning of misdirected meat-eater rage But also, on a more serious note, try being vegan. (See above comments). We get a lot of hate not only from meat-eaters but a fair few vegetarians too for identical reasons. If you're veggie for ethical reasons, I'd encourage you to look into the equally bad ethical problems with eggs and dairy - they are just yuck. I recommend the book Vegan Freak if you're interested - it's great on the issues themselves, but really helpful too on how to deal with antagonists and people who just want to be *******s to you for the crime of acting on your principles. It's also really cool and funny

You can't really claim that a product that comes from an animal's body isn't an animal product. I know if you haven't looked into it, it can be easy to think that because a product doesn't actually contain any dead animals it must be OK, but unfortunately the dairy industry is still responsible for millions of animal deaths every year.

It's really not fine when you consider the amount of death necessary to the production of the cheese. There's no moral difference as far as I can see.

I know that vegetarians in this society often don't like it when vegans start differentiating on this thread. But to see so many posts saying 'omg I love halloumi' is just as irritating as seeing 'I love bacon' threads; why should there be any moral distinction between the two products? Both are products of vast amounts of needless death, suffering, and exploitation. Whether or not the end product contains the dead animal doesn't change the fact that the animals are dying for that product.

I did say 'the way I look at it..' it's my opinion! I'm fine with eating products that do not have any animal products IN them. I understand what you're saying but please...just calm down!

But milk is an animal product. It comes from an animal, therefore it is an animal product. I know that the term 'animal product' is often used to describe food items that require an animal to die before they can be used, but it should be used to describe any product that has an animal origin. I know it can be hard for a vegetarian to hear (and I know because I was once ovo-lacto and I've come out with the same things) but it's hypocritical to denounce meat products for ethical reasons but think it's acceptable to eat eggs and dairy. Vegetarianism is good because it reduces the number of animals that are killed for food, providing you don't replace all of the meat products you would have eaten with eggs and dairy. However, an equally good thing to do would be to eliminate eggs and dairy from your diet while still eating meat. And I don't think anyone would try to claim that diet makes logical sense.

I did say 'the way I look at it..' it's my opinion! I'm fine with eating products that do not have any animal products IN them. I understand what you're saying but please...just calm down!

After being a vegetarian for 14 years, I've now made the change to veganism. I actually feel disgusted with myself that I have allowed the dairy animals to suffer for so long I wish I'd looked in to it earlier. The Kind Diet is a great book packed with information and recipes.
Very pleased to say that soy milk in tea tastes just like usual milk - woohoo!
Also, more foods are suitable for vegans than I ever thought. I've previously said I can't be vegan as I can't cook/don't have time to cook from scratch every meal/live in an area where there are no specialist stores. However, the Co-Op is great at labelling its products and Sainsburys and other supermarkets publish lists of their vegan foods on their websites - these even include takeaway curries!!
Not that I'm saying anyone has to go vegan, just making those who are considering it aware of how easy it actually is when you look in to it. You've overcome the biggest hurdle by giving up meat

But milk is an animal product. It comes from an animal, therefore it is an animal product. I know that the term 'animal product' is often used to describe food items that require an animal to die before they can be used, but it should be used to describe any product that has an animal origin. I know it can be hard for a vegetarian to hear (and I know because I was once ovo-lacto and I've come out with the same things) but it's hypocritical to denounce meat products for ethical reasons but think it's acceptable to eat eggs and dairy. Vegetarianism is good because it reduces the number of animals that are killed for food, providing you don't replace all of the meat products you would have eaten with eggs and dairy. However, an equally good thing to do would be to eliminate eggs and dairy from your diet while still eating meat. And I don't think anyone would try to claim that diet makes logical sense.

I'm perfectly calm thank you. I also didn't neg you, though I see you've negged me. It's great that your 'opinion' is that an animals death is totally fine if you eat cheese, but it was your dismissive tone and obvious indifference to this fact that probably got you negged. And if you think cheese and milk are 'products that do not have animal products in them', you're kind of in denial: cheese *is* an animal product! It contains their milk, and also significant traces of blood and / or pus.

Ok

Ok what? I really don't get why you're being so dismissive. I give up.

I have a task for you all..

I am not willing to give up milk on my Weetabix but i am prepared to go vegetarian elsewhere and so for lunch i need a sandwich idea along with suggested dinner and snacks.

Budget for all that is £10-£15.

How about Hummus? It's a popular veggie sandwich or dip option. I personally like tahini free hummus. I'm sure someone on here can recommend a good recipe but here's an example

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/extra-easy-hummus/

You could make a batch really cheap to last you all week!

Or course you can add in salad (leaves- spinach is my fave, cucumber, tomato etc).

xxx

I have a task for you all..

I am not willing to give up milk on my Weetabix but i am prepared to go vegetarian elsewhere and so for lunch i need a sandwich idea along with suggested dinner and snacks.

Budget for all that is £10-£15.

How about Hummus? It's a popular veggie sandwich or dip option. I personally like tahini free hummus. I'm sure someone on here can recommend a good recipe but here's an example

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/extra-easy-hummus/

You could make a batch really cheap to last you all week!

Or course you can add in salad (leaves- spinach is my fave, cucumber, tomato etc).

xxx

I have a task for you all..

I am not willing to give up milk on my Weetabix but i am prepared to go vegetarian elsewhere and so for lunch i need a sandwich idea along with suggested dinner and snacks.

Budget for all that is £10-£15.

What do you mean by you are willing to go vegetarian apart from milk? Do you mean you are giving up eggs and dairy in the rest or your diet or are you just going ovo-lacto?

If you are going vegetarian and not vegan you could have a quorn ham/chicken/beef/turkey slices with salad, and a dairylea dunker!