By "better", I simply mean more practicing according to original biblical rules.
Also, before anyone reads on, I do not mean to offend anyone, like Spacecam. If you are easily offended, please dont bother reading this. If I state something wrong just tell me, I am not perfect. I hope to show that islam and Christianity are very similar, we follow many of the original bibles laws.
This is a generalisation, some Christians do indeed follow the Bible to the letter.
My arguments:
1. Burqa and Hijab
In the Bible it reads in 1 Timothy Ch2 V9:
"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"
Furthermore, if you look at Mother Mary, may Allah be pleased with her. She wears what Muslims women where similar to a burqa, identical to a hijab, she is covered from head to toe with only her hands and face showing.
Which is more practicing of religons in this respect? Which is persecuted in the media more, think about it.
If you think its oppressing in general to wear such clothing:
He brings up the point that in the Bible it says the women who show their her hair, should shave it off. Dont believe me, watch the video.
2. As in a previous thread. Pork is banned in Christianity:
Or unclear and therefore should at least be avoided.
"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."[Leviticus 11:7-8]
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]
"Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day."
[Isaiah 65:4-5]
Of course Christians still eat it, even though there is ambiguity over it. In which case it would be best to leave it.
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3] .
So us Muslims, do not eat pork. If someone does, they are breaking a Law of God.
Which is more practicing of religons in this respect?
3. Wine is very frowned upon
“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is
deceived thereby is not wise.” [Proverbs 20:1]
“And be not drunk with wine.” [Ephesians 5:18]
Prov 21:17 "where heavy drinking and gluttony are equally condemned"
1 Sam 1:14; Isa 5:11, 22; 28:1 'drunkenness is condemned'
Of course you could say that this does not necessarily say never drink, even though it is hugely condemned. So would it be best to just avoid it? But even if you believe it is okay to drink as-long as you do not get drunk, In which case, think about your Christian friends you have, at school, uni, work, they talk about drinking alcholol to get drunk. My friends always say "I am going to get plastered this weekend" lol, or whatever. You may say well its okay if you know your limits, how many people really know their limits,I bet alcoholics would say they know their limits? Think about the Town where you live, how many pubs are in your areas? How many drunks stumble out at nights.
The Quran prophits alcholol: “Satan wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God and from the prayer. So, will you not then abstain?” (Quran 5:91)
Anyone Muslim who drinks/gambles is breaking Gods Law.
How many casios are there around the world? What religion is it mostly filled by?
Which is more practicing of religons in this respect?
5. More Muslim men grow beards than Christians and we are associated with terrorism, Jesus PBUH has a beard, is he a terrorist? No, of course not.
FOWARD TO 5.20, watch the other parts if you want.
6. We dont worship Jesus, which in the Bible we are never told to. "There is not a single unambigous statement in the entire bible that Jesus PBUH says I am god or worship me:
Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) "My Father is greater than I." [The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) "My Father is greater than all." [The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [The Bible, John 5:30]"
7. Hebrews 13:4 -Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge FORNICATORS(two people not married to each other having sexual intercourse) and ADULTERERS(a married person having sexual intercourse w/ someone who is not his/her spouse).
Ephesians 5:3-5
3Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among YOU, just as it befits holy people; 4 neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks. 5 For YOU know this, recognizing it for yourselves, that no fornicator or unclean person or greedy person—which means being an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of the Christ and of God.
Again this is a generalization, but my at my school most my Christian friends were going at it it is even promoted in shows like Friends, Raymond....
Muslims in general try keep away from this. Any Muslims who does have pre-martial sex is breaking Gods Law, and it is wrong. Not acceptable and is not seen as okay. Yet is some aspects if someone has premartial sex, it is not a big deal, or even praised.
Before people make the suggestion that there are muslims not complying with rules for example, they may drink or smoke, or eat pork, or gamble or not dress modestly... You are missing my point. The point is that those Muslims that do that are Breaking the Law of Allah, they are in the wrong no ifs or buts. Whereas perhaps in Christianity, it has become acceptable to drink, dress exposingly, eat pork or whatever.
This is why it could be suggested that Muslims are more practicing Christians than Christians. We in general follow more of the origninal Bible than Christians in general.
Again, I did not mean to offend anyone and am sorry if I have. The above was a generalisation. If anything it should bring two faiths closer as we practice (or try to) many of the same beliefs.
What are your views.
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Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by C2V255
By "better", I simply mean more practicing according to original biblical rules.
I think I'd agree.
The traditional Christian world i.e. the West, no longer execute gay people or deny women equal rights, so I guess the Muslim world do a better job at adhering to the original biblical rules.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Why is it always muslims trying to argue that islam is similar to chrisitianity? Why is it hardly ever the other way round?
And OP, you're focussing on things that are prohibbited [by islam] and not what christianity is actually about (which would be useful in a thread arguing that muslims are 'better chrisitians' than chrisitians.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
TL;DR.
Well, most modern 'Christians' try to push for a modern society, unlike most countries ruled by Islam that support a stone-age lifestyle. There's progression in most 'Christian' societies.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
well, it wouldnt be a surprise, as muslims believe in the bible, but islam is a continuation of the religion of Abraham emphasising monotheism and it is the only religion which seriously practices monotheism.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by Shilpa786
well, it wouldnt be a surprise, as muslims believe in the bible, but islam is a continuation of the religion of Abraham emphasising monotheism and it is the only religion which seriously practices monotheism.
Do you mind me asking what that means: 'the only religion which seriously practices monotheism'? How is Islam any more monotheistic than, for example, Judaism?
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Careful with the wine part - In Christianity - wine is seen as the symbol of Jesus' blood which is taken at holy communion (the Eucharist) in reverence of what he drunk at the last supper. In addition - the view held by the Roman Catholic church is that wine (and alcohol) is a gift from God to make life more joyous (and also - in medieval times the only safe drinking liquids). However, over-indulgance is a sin.
Also - Jesus made large quantities of wine at a wedding ceremony in Cana and their are various references to wine in the Old testament.
I am not a extremley devout or practising Christian but I do believe in Christ and that is the knowledge that I can recall. Most Britains would know of the "blood" of Jesus anyway.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
in terms of keeping the monotheist belief, islam has been the only religion which has kept it thoroughly and is very strict about it - the mainstream sunni islam that is.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by EmJay
Do you mind me asking what that means: 'the only religion which seriously practices monotheism'? How is Islam any more monotheistic than, for example, Judaism?
I think, in comparison to Christianity, because the OP refuses to listen to explanations about The Trinity in Christianity, they are thus ignorant of the fact that Christians do not believe in three Gods.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by markwaza
Can you actually be a better christian? Christianity accepts that people sin.
So does Islam.
The difference is, its not just forgiven. For example(sticking to the old example)
If someone is kills your son and the killer is sorry in Islam the man who killed for breaking Allahs Law and killing is forgiven.
But God will ask the people who were effected if they would like to forgive him, if they say no then, for example some of that mans good deeds go to the person who lost their child. Gods forgiveness but at the same time is Just, thats the concept in Islam.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
This is a huge example of the need for people to understand the difference between moses law, and the new testament......and understand christianity in general
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by C2V255
So does Islam.
The difference is, its not just forgiven. For example(sticking to the old example)
If someone is kills your son and the killer is sorry in Islam the man who killed for breaking Allahs Law and killing is forgiven.
But God will ask the people who were effected if they would like to forgive him, if they say no then, for example some of that mans good deeds go to the person who lost their child. Gods forgiveness but at the same time is Just, thats the concept in Islam.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by Spacecam
I think, in comparison to Christianity, because the OP refuses to listen to explanations about The Trinity in Christianity, they are thus ignorant of the fact that Christians do not believe in three Gods.
You're right.
By the way, I've only been a member of TSR for a couple of days but all the Muslims I've come across - perhaps with the exception of tazarooni89 - are incredibly stupid and ignorant. Where are all the intelligent Muslims? They need to do some damage control.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by C2V255
So does Islam.
The difference is, its not just forgiven. For example(sticking to the old example)
If someone is kills your son and the killer is sorry in Islam the man who killed for breaking Allahs Law and killing is forgiven.
But God will ask the people who were effected if they would like to forgive him, if they say no then, for example some of that mans good deeds go to the person who lost their child. Gods forgiveness but at the same time is Just, thats the concept in Islam.
Re: Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
Originally Posted by Longorefisher
Careful with the wine part - In Christianity - wine is seen as the symbol of Jesus' blood which is taken at holy communion (the Eucharist) in reverence of what he drunk at the last supper. In addition - the view held by the Roman Catholic church is that wine (and alcohol) is a gift from God to make life more joyous (and also - in medieval times the only safe drinking liquids). However, over-indulgance is a sin.
Also - Jesus made large quantities of wine at a wedding ceremony in Cana and their are various references to wine in the Old testament.
I am not a extremley devout or practising Christian but I do believe in Christ and that is the knowledge that I can recall. Most Britains would know of the "blood" of Jesus anyway.
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Muslims are better Christians than the Christians
