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well "prominent" labour figures have said our vote will go ahead anyway.(Original post by little.rebel.L)
and what will this mean for our referendum??? the future of the constitution??
as for the future of the constitution itself, well thats a bit bleak. when even the french couldnt bring themselves to support something to do with europe you know its bad. the dutch will give it another slapping in the near future and us brits will probably give it the final shove off the cliff edge next year (if labour keep to their word. lol) -
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He did.(Original post by beekeeper_)
I thought Tony Blair promised a referendum regardless of whether the French voted for it, or not...
I wonder if he'll stick to that though........
Just remember his great get out clause;
'We were going to do that, but times change and events with them'
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Exactly(Original post by Trier)
He did.
I wonder if he'll stick to that though........
Just remember his great get out clause;
'We were going to do that, but times change and events with them'
(Not an actual quote)
I don't see how he can sneak out of this one though. Times are just as turbulent as he predicted.
I want the referendum to go ahead anyway, i want to see how many Britons actually support it. -
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Actually, he said something along the lines of "There will be a vote as long as the Constitution is being decided on." As the French have already nixed it, there is no need for a vote in Britain, since the Constitution has already been rejected and is no longer being pushed forward. Very politically-wise word choices on his part.(Original post by Trier)
He did.
I wonder if he'll stick to that though........
Just remember his great get out clause;
'We were going to do that, but times change and events with them'
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i doubt it...he'll move aside long before the next election to allow the new guy (brown probably) to be firmly installed and to allow him to be a distinctive PM and known for his own policies and operations rather than tony's.(Original post by zaf1986)
Blair sighs with relief, as it gives him more time in office. I suppose he will try to break the Thatcher record.
it wouldnt be in labours interest for tony to be knocking about 12 months before the next election has to be called. its not as if hes popular now, he'll be on the verge of making labour appear unelectable if hes still here in 2007/8 -
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They'll do it the Tory way, Blair will stay till 2008 and the election won't be called until 2010 allowing the new leader (I doubt it will be Brown) to settle in. Just my predictions, because Labour can see Tories fighting over the new leader and they don't want to a leadership contest when the Tories are infighting again - they want to capitalise on that.(Original post by technik)
i doubt it...he'll move aside long before the next election to allow the new guy (brown probably) to be firmly installed and to allow him to be a distinctive PM and known for his own policies and operations rather than tony's.
it wouldnt be in labours interest for tony to be knocking about 12 months before the next election has to be called. its not as if hes popular now, he'll be on the verge of making labour appear unelectable if hes still here in 2007/8 -
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Yeah, John Major style. It is gonna be a typical repeat. However, will the Tories be able to become electable next time? Its the million dollar question and unless they come up with a new ideology - the way Blair did in 1997 - it is unlikely for them coming into power in the foreseeable future.(Original post by technik)
i recon labour will either lose outright or be stuck in a hung p'ment or unworkably small majority next time anyway. -
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i dont think its all that bad for the conservatives...they've been called unelectable many times, but they still managed to poll more votes than any other party in england in this election just past even with howard as leader and his association with thatcher/old school tory/dracula(Original post by zaf1986)
Yeah, John Major style. It is gonna be a typical repeat. However, will the Tories be able to become electable next time? Its the million dollar question and unless they come up with a new ideology - the way Blair did in 1997 - it is unlikely for them coming into power in the foreseeable future.
. fair enough it didnt win them many more seats, but they are definately moving upwards...
and 4 or 5 years is a long time. even if nothing really happens any of the parties other influences could totally swing it. if the economy goes a bit loopy then blair and brown could find themselves dumped faster than faeces down the drain pipe.
the best thing the tories could do is bring back hague as leader. he'd mop the floor with blair and brown at the despatch box. he was really a victim of timing when he was first leader, the tories were at their lowest and no leader would have done any better. advantages for him would be his age, the fact he has the experience from previous elections, and he'd be coming back to a party in far better shape than when he first took over. -
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(Original post by technik)
i dont think its all that bad for the conservatives...they've been called unelectable many times, but they still managed to poll more votes than any other party in england in this election just past even with howard as leader and his association with thatcher/old school tory/dracula. fair enough it didnt win them many more seats, but they are definately moving upwards...
and 4 or 5 years is a long time. even if nothing really happens any of the parties other influences could totally swing it. if the economy goes a bit loopy then blair and brown could find themselves dumped faster than faeces down the drain pipe.
the best thing the tories could do is bring back hague as leader. he'd mop the floor with blair and brown at the despatch box. he was really a victim of timing when he was first leader, the tories were at their lowest and no leader would have done any better. advantages for him would be his age, the fact he has the experience from previous elections, and he'd be coming back to a party in far better shape than when he first took over.
I think the problem with Tories is exactly the same as what happened with Labour during the 80s - they get the votes but can't translate them into seats - and I disagree - Hague as leader is a bad idea. One of the young ones of the Tory party are the the real people capable of a Tory revival. I still think the Tory infighting and disagreement is getting them down, they need unity in the party ranks if they are to be taken seriously at all. -
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the electorate wouldnt vote in one of the new tories as PM if they've only been an MP 4-8 years themselves. you need someone who is known and has a record and history. one of the newer names that popped up was osbourne, the new shadow chancellor, but hes only been in the commons about 5 minutes. someone like hague however is still young (40's) and has experience. hes also been giving speeches at tory conferences since he was a schoolboy. everyone knows who he is.(Original post by zaf1986)
I think the problem with Tories is exactly the same as what happened with Labour during the 80s - they get the votes but can't translate them into seats - and I disagree - Hague as leader is a bad idea. One of the young ones of the Tory party are the the real people capable of a Tory revival. I still think the Tory infighting and disagreement is getting them down, they need unity in the party ranks if they are to be taken seriously at all.
. fair enough it didnt win them many more seats, but they are definately moving upwards...
