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Would you rig the vote if it meant a BNP MP wouldn't get in

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i hate blighty

this is why I fail to see the point in democracy - idiots like you, who refuse to engage in genuine debate and cling onto their positions blindly - end up deciding the fate of this country.

If you "fail to see the point in democracy" I'm sure Zimbabwe and North Korea will welcome you with open arms. :smile:

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Gr3asy_L0ver

necessarily benevolent

I heard the 'Horst Wessel Lied' played in a pub the other week. Does that mean everyone in that pub were Nazis too?

No but I can hardly imagine the reason the music is played at BNP gatherings is because some drunk bloke happened to choose it because of any other reason can you???

Reply 42

i hate blighty

thethinker

What would be your solution? Who would you allow to vote if you kept such a system?

Probably anyone who satisfied a minimum requirement of intelligence (which would be set very low).

I would also insist, much more crucially, that they were versed in basic matters of politics, foreign affairs, economics, etc., to make sure that they could make an informed decision. I think that everyone who wanted to vote should say, spend 2 hours a week on study of these matters (with classes perhaps held by places like the OU), then take basic tests before voting to ensure good decisions were made.

I'm not a Nazi, just want the best for my country.

Reply 43

foxo

i hate blighty

this is why I fail to see the point in democracy - idiots like you, who refuse to engage in genuine debate and cling onto their positions blindly - end up deciding the fate of this country.

I'd engage in genuine debate with you if any of your points were actually engaging. Actually, come to think of it, if you'd actually made any points whatsoever rather than just spewing your completely irrelevant prejudices and hoping someone will take offence.

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faber niger

necessarily benevolent

If you "fail to see the point in democracy" I'm sure Zimbabwe and North Korea will welcome you with open arms. :smile:

If I may point out another fallacy, the rejection of one thing does not automatically imply the acceptance of another, especially when the number of possible political systems are vast (and certainly number more than two/three). :puppyeyes:

Reply 45

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Gr3asy_L0ver

No but I can hardly imagine the reason the music is played at BNP gatherings is because some drunk bloke happened to choose it because of any other reason can you???

Why not?

Here you are:

Listen to it. Does that make you a Nazi? :smile:

Reply 46

i hate blighty

necessarily benevolent

When you start using the vote as a means to your preferred end then you're doing nothing but imposing your ideals on everyone else, because you think what you believe in should be applicable to the populace instead of what the populace actually want. It's arrogant, unfair and tyrranical.

Its not to my prefferred end. Its the point that the populace don't really understand what they want, as they don't understand the implications of what they are voting for.

Reply 47

i hate blighty

foxo

my god you are stupid

Reply 48

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i hate blighty

Its not to my prefferred end. Its the point that the populace don't really understand what they want, as they don't understand the implications of what they are voting for.

So people should tyrannically decide things for them then. :fuhrer:

Reply 49

thethinker

i hate blighty

I would argue that IQ tests aren't that reliable (but that's another discussion. I think that these concerns can be solved by better education about politic theory and philosophy in school.

Reply 50

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jismith1989

Of course it doesn't, but merely setting out potential dangers of throwing off democracy isn't fallacious. It's just a warning.

Reply 51

faber niger

i hate blighty

my god you are stupid

Don't call him stupid, make your point(s), if you wish. No one's going to be won over by having an insult thrown at them.

Reply 52

i hate blighty

necessarily benevolent

So people should tyrannically decide things for them then. :fuhrer:

no, there are more options in politics than having universal suffrage or dictatorship :rolleyes:

Reply 53

Gr3asy_L0ver

necessarily benevolent

Why not?

Here you are:

Listen to it. Does that make you a Nazi? :smile:

Hmm no either you're missing the point completely or are just pretending to be stupid?

I didn't say listening to music from the Third Reich made you a Nazi, I was implying that there is more in the fact that such music is played at BNP gatherings than simply that they hate the top 40 ? Clear enough?

Reply 54

foxo

i hate blighty

Okay, you've actually attempted to make a point now, moronic as it is.

So, in other words, you'd leave the voting to the 'elite' with a nod and wink to the good old 18th century, and you'd enforce specific political beliefs before allowing people to vote. Do you not see the irony in this? In rendering the vote so utterly pointless, only the idiots that you so often berate would actually get off their arses to vote, not recognising the sheer futility of it all.

Reply 55

necessarily benevolent

i hate blighty

no, there are more options in politics than having universal suffrage or dictatorship :rolleyes:

I didn't say dictatorship. I implied that if there is not universal suffrage then you're restricting the vote to a certain sector of society and so, well, it's one grouping effectively deciding everything for another. Who is anyone to decide whether or not people realise the implications of their vote? Why must political parties that conflict the views of the establishment not be allowed to contest elections fairly? Sounds like a fascist tyranny to me. :yes: