So by extension it's not any [Muslim's] place to punish or judge. So what would you do if you saw a bunch of Muslims beat up a non-Muslim for criticising the religion somehow? Would you honestly intervene and educate them in how their actions are wrong, or would you not dare to speak out against the judgements of your "fellow brothers"?
I would intervene and that is the honest truth. Beating up or attacking non-Muslims for saying something disrespectful is totally against the Sunnah.
Also, Brotherhood in Islam is misunderstood to mean a non-questioning attitude. That is wrong. The Prophet said "Help your brother whether he is right or wrong". The companions were shocked at this. The Prophet then explained "Help him if he is right by supporting him and help him if he is wrong by correcting him."
Either it's theft, and therefore a sin, or it isn't.
No, in Islam there's a sliding scale from completely forbidden to absolutely obligatory. Something can be classed as something that should be strongly avoided like smoking but still not be forbidden.
I would intervene and that is the honest truth. Beating up or attacking non-Muslims for saying something disrespectful is totally against the Sunnah.
Also, Brotherhood in Islam is misunderstood to mean a non-questioning attitude. That is wrong. The Prophet said "Help your brother whether he is right or wrong". The companions were shocked at this. The Prophet then explained "Help him if he is right by supporting him and help him if he is wrong by correcting him."
Okay. But if this is so, why is it that way way over half of all the Muslims I've ever known [I've had many friends and acquaintances all my life] would resort to physical violence if somebody insulted Islam in their presence? Obviously that's my experience, but why does this attitude seem quite prominent in British Muslims?
I'm racist because i accused 1 person of being child molester?
The devious use of the term 'racist' to describe critics of Islam is truly disgusting. A person who criticises Islam is no more a racist than a person who criticises Christianity - these are religions, not races.
Okay. But if this is so, why is it that way way over half of all the Muslims I've ever known [I've had many friends and acquaintances all my life] would resort to physical violence if somebody insulted Islam in their presence? Obviously that's my experience, but why does this attitude seem quite prominent in British Muslims?
Honestly, I wish I knew myself. It's important to remember that Muslims aren't a true representation of Islam at all times and that people are ignorant of their own religion.
The devious use of the term 'racist' to describe critics of Islam is truly disgusting. A person who criticises Islam is no more a racist than a person who criticises Christianity - these are religions, not races.
hilariously in the neg rep i got for that comment i was accused of being a catholic
infact, ad verbatim it reads
Of course you can't - but the purpose of pointing out that something is customary or cultural is to point out that it is not actually part of Islam itself, and by no means do all Muslims follow it, or believe in it.
It's just a way of replying to the claim that "Islam is a barbaric religion" etc.
Alright, thanks for the reply.
On the subject of barbaric religions; is there any part of your religion that you wish would evolve, and/or, get rid of? Do you disagree with any parts of it, morally?
Please don't answer if you wouldn't feel comfortable, just interested, as conflicting morals made me turn against Christianity a few years ago.
Honestly, I wish I knew myself. It's important to remember that Muslims aren't a true representation of Islam at all times and that people are ignorant of their own religion.
I would agree, but when such a considerable proportion of the Islamic population [in both Britain and the world] are ignorant of the realities of their own religion, you have to start asking questions. And that includes questions about how the Qur'an should really be interpreted. I very regularly see Muslim individuals and scholars strain the meanings of certain verses to a massive extent so as to portray Islam as peace-loving, and they always invoke the standard defence of "context", seemingly in fear of the ramifications of revealing any aggressive connotations. It's always very interesting to see the difference in interpretations between scholars from the Middle East, and scholars from Britain.
Anyway, it's not a good state of affairs when Muslims such as yourself admit that a substantial proportion of the Islamic collective are ignorant of their own religion. Summoning the quote you gave me earlier, I think it's on the shoulders of Muslims who are apparently cognisant and aware of the realities of their religion to help their Muslim 'brothers' at all times; and seeing as a substantial proportion seem to be wrong in their understanding of it, it is up to the rest of you to help them by correcting them. People think that the solution to Islamic extremism is extraneous to the current body of Muslim followers, when in reality the solution to curbing this problem is encapsulated by that quote - though I've not really seen much pressure from the Muslim community. It's quite odd that the motivation of these Islamic extremists comes from the same source as the solution to extremism.
On the subject of barbaric religions; is there any part of your religion that you wish would evolve, and/or, get rid of? Do you disagree with any parts of it, morally?
Please don't answer if you wouldn't feel comfortable, just interested, as conflicting morals made me turn against Christianity a few years ago.
I belive that some areas need "updating" in the sense of new interpretations that accomodate the realities of the 21st century. Oh and droppping the emphasise on fringe areas of Islam, because well, they're fringe areas.
hilariously in the neg rep i got for that comment i was accused of being a catholic
Perhaps the dim and intolerant Muslim who negative repped you thought that you were a Catholic due to the Irish flag - know knows. I received a similar rep yesterday 'shut up you faggot. don't insult the beautiful religion that is islam'.
Perhaps the dim and intolerant Muslim who negative repped you thought that you were a Catholic due to the Irish flag - know knows. I received a similar rep yesterday 'shut up you faggot. don't insult the beautiful religion that is islam'.
Such lovely people.
It certainly is possible. I love the Islam threads on here because the Muslims always get so incredibly furious, and have a habit of quoting people saying that the UK will be Islamified in 10 years etc
I belive that some areas need "updating" in the sense of new interpretations that accomodate the realities of the 21st century. Oh and droppping the emphasise on fringe areas of Islam, because well, they're fringe areas.
Perhaps the dim and intolerant Muslim who negative repped you thought that you were a Catholic due to the Irish flag - know knows. I received a similar rep yesterday 'shut up you faggot. don't insult the beautiful religion that is islam'.
Such lovely people.
Perhaps it's the way you do so. I criticise Islam, but I've never had a negative rep for doing so, I don't think.
I don't think most Muslims would have a problem with asking rational questions in a controlled manner, rather than spouting myths like "the islamification of Britain", or "Muslim= extremist".
I belive that some areas need "updating" in the sense of new interpretations that accomodate the realities of the 21st century. Oh and droppping the emphasise on fringe areas of Islam, because well, they're fringe areas.
all the laws of islam are beautiful and we accept all of them completely. cutting of the hand, stoning etc is "barbaric" to the west - well thats their problem. if they think we need to "update", "get with the times", they are only jelous of the success and influence of Islam.
Any muslims who is not satisfied with the laws of God and that man made laws do a better job need to re-evaluate their Islam.
I would agree, but when such a considerable proportion of the Islamic population [in both Britain and the world] are ignorant of the realities of their own religion, you have to start asking questions. And that includes questions about how the Qur'an should really be interpreted. I very regularly see Muslim individuals and scholars strain the meanings of certain verses to a massive extent so as to portray Islam as peace-loving, and they always invoke the standard defence of "context", seemingly in fear of the ramifications of revealing any aggressive connotations. It's always very interesting to see the difference in interpretations between scholars from the Middle East, and scholars from Britain.
Well the situations are vastly different so it is expected. I too see some people trying to bend verses in order to appease the general population when there is no need. However, it is important to realise that some people do take verses out of context and without understanding and here it is important to understand the true menaing of the verse.
Originally Posted by n1r4v
Anyway, it's not a good state of affairs when Muslims such as yourself admit that a substantial proportion of the Islamic collective are ignorant of their own religion. Summoning the quote you gave me earlier, I think it's on the shoulders of Muslims who are apparently cognisant and aware of the realities of their religion to help their Muslim 'brothers' at all times; and seeing as a substantial proportion seem to be wrong in their understanding of it, it is up to the rest of you to help them by correcting them. People think that the solution to Islamic extremism is extraneous to the current body of Muslim followers, when in reality the solution to curbing this problem is encapsulated by that quote - though I've not really seen much pressure from the Muslim community. It's quite odd that the motivation of these Islamic extremists comes from the same source as the solution to extremism.
The Muslim community has lots of problems compounded by the fact that most Muslims come from immigrant families with immigrant mentalities. However, things are changing, we are seeing more of the 1st generation of Muslims passing away leading the way for truely British Muslims to become the leaders of the community. I do feel at times that too much emphasise is placed on the Muslim community to face the problems that both Musims and the West face. Most Muslim "extremists" operate out of sight and as a result are difficult to approach.
all the laws of islam are beautiful and we accept all of them completely. cutting of the hand, stoning etc is "barbaric" to the west - well thats their problem. if they think we need to "update", "get with the times", they are only jelous of the success and influence of Islam.
Any muslims who is not satisfied with the laws of God and that man made laws do a better job need to re-evaluate their Islam.
Discuss theological issues, which are issues inherent to a religion, not their political manifestations.
Re: D&D Theology's "Ask A Muslim" Thread MK II
