Islamification is a good thing

Maybe. I would argue that the vast majority of people who do proper research into Islam with a truly open mind will find themselves converting.

I did the research with an open mind. But sorry to disappoint you, I still retain the views I had initially.

There is still some issue with trying to force a religious transmigration onto a country which gives you the right to practice your religion along side others.
Its not like France where you will be fined for wearing your religious garments, so its not a nice way to replay Britain by trying to force a religion down its throat.

Somehow I doubt that...

I'm White, and not someone you'd expect to be Muslim. However, I have a rising interest in Islam, and so too do many other White people in this country and other Western nations. There is growing dissatisfaction with the "typical" Western lifestyle. This is a huge generalisation, but I believe that the White lifestyle/culture in this country is, to put it bluntly, highly degenerate, being orientated around materialism, consumerism, alcohol, drugs, casual sex, highly dependent on the government to provide, and also suffers (in my view) from a lack of religious insight. I believe Islam could provide the solution to these, and I may very well soon be one of the many tens, if not hundreds of thousands of White people to formally embrace Islam.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

You know what?

I can't stop morons being morons no more than I can stop the sun from setting.

But please do some actual research into what Islam is before you sign on the dotted line, I don't mean going down to the Mosque and having a chat, read some of the Qu'ran for yourself, read about the history of the Islamic people and come back and tell me that it's worth it. It isn't.

What is, "religious insight"?

Religious insight is knowledge about religion. If a kid is never taught maths then he has no mathematical insight, the same goes for religion. It's not so much that people are raised un-religious, their parents are just apathetic to religion.

This country will never get used to the "rise of Islam".

It's going to happen. Likely not to be in my lifetime, but it will.

You have groups now like the EDL who don't know anything about Islam and talk absolute crap at their demos. You can find tons of proof on youtube, I actually find it funny.

It's got nothing to do with religion, it's all to do with race, they're terrified of it.

That still doesn't justify Islamification.
You would be wrong if you tried to suggest that people who are against Islamification are people who don't know about Islam.
Muslims against total Islamification are dubbed as kuff?r.

You seem to fit the Social Identity Theory in the way you try to demean your opposition (out-group) in favour of your side's -- your in-group -- belief when you try to suggest that no-one has done their research correctly (when they so happen to draw different conclusions from yourself).

All I am saying is that there have certainly been many cases where high-profile anti-Islam preachers have done a lot of research into Islam and found themselves converted by it.

And - without trying to offend any Muslims out there of different races than I - I believe this thread may be slightly more justified in that, as a White man with 100% Western European ancestry as far back as I can trace, and therefore a typical indigenous resident of this country - have been highly swayed by Islam, and therefore can represent the ever growing numbers of White, indigenous people flocking to Islam.

All I can say is that, whilst I respect the opinions of others, it is my belief and my opinion that we have an extremely decadent culture in the UK and indeed, other countries with similar cultures to ours, and in my view, Islamification would be a good thing. Yes, I am not loyal to my culture. Yes, I am not loyal to the religious beliefs of my family (not like any of them are religious anyway, my family is a mix between slightly militant atheism and extremely passive Christian). Yes, I am not loyal to the traditional values of the UK. One thing I am loyal to, is my race (as you can see from my profile it is an issue I feel strongly about) because, Muslim or not, I'll always be White.

Name a few.

http://masudblog.com/?p=1062


Daniel Streich once a devout Christian and who was a member of the The Swiss People’s Party, noted for their anti-Islam and anti-Minaret stance, converted to Islam over two years ago but kept his conversion secret.

You are not representative of a growing number because you are one person and nothing more.

If it is just your opinion and belief which you believe are entirely personal, then you would not feel compelled to make threads on these things.

But you're quite loyal to Islam, seemingly more so than being white going by your threads.

I never pretended to be an expert, but a quick google search found me..

I am one person who is part of a growing movement, that is, White Westerners flocking to Islam. I did not mean that I can represent everyone, simply that I am an example of such an occurrence.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an opinion and sharing it. Hell, that's virtually the whole point of internet forum.

Why do you say that? Just because I abandoned "typically White English culture" doesn't mean my race has changed.

I ask to name a few and you give me one. =/

One example, not enough to illustrate a huge change in society.

Sharing it is fine. Though its questionable when you assume that those whom don't agree with said opinion either aren't doing research with an open mind or are just anti-Islamists.

Your race hasn't changed, but your 'allegiance' has, one can argue.

Ugh. Use google, use anything, in my experience there have been many cases of the most anti-Islamic people converting.

Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY
and all the related links. You can bet that Christian ministers are quite anti-Islamic..

If I remember correctly, the normal figure is given at about 10,000 new White converts every year? I know it's not groundbreaking but I think that will gain momentum, as obviously if 1 White person converts then that may cause an interest in all of their family/friends.

That's ridiculous and would be offensive if I actually let it get to me. Sure, the majority of White people aren't Muslim but that doesn't mean you can say that White "allegiance" is therefore non-Muslim. Are all the White Muslims in Bosnia/Cechnya etc anti-White?

Unlike these converters I have no need for ontological security. Which is possibly why I remain unswayed.

Indeed. I personally believe that the White conversion to Islam will gain momentum, and nothing you said really debunked that. I hope that one day White people in Europe can be like Indonesians, Pakistanis, Somalians, Bosnians, Chinese Muslims - not "traditionally" what you might expect a Muslim to look like but nonetheless, Islam has no boundaries when it comes to race

Well I didn't need to debunk it as you gave me an opinion, so I gave you another spin on how that figure could be interpreted.

I never said Islam has boundaries when it comes to race. I implied it does have boundaries with other beliefs.

Which reminds me, you accused me of not debunking a point of yours, yet you've not actually debunked the following points:


These are only some points which make people think and argue against Islamification and this also leads people to demonise it too.
You haven't touch on any of them, so how do you expect to persuade people that Islamification is a good thing when you've not touched on some of the things which make people think otherwise?

That still doesn't justify Islamification.
You would be wrong if you tried to suggest that people who are against Islamification are people who don't know about Islam.
Muslims against total Islamification are dubbed as kuff?r.

You seem to fit the Social Identity Theory in the way you try to demean your opposition (out-group) in favour of your side's -- your in-group -- belief when you try to suggest that no-one has done their research correctly (when they so happen to draw different conclusions from yourself).



Why should it?

I doubt it'll happen with this country being more secular and Islam getting bad media by extremists.
Well it happened in France didn't it.

What about other people who speak against it that aren't part of the EDL?

Or they don't want a value system based on religion which doesn't have strong foundations to be enforced as law.

Whenever I hear Islam I hear terrorism in my head echoing, that's not being racist, that's just looking at a trend

Edit: Neg rep is fun!