what do guys think of women that don't ever want children

Their choice tbh, however, at this age, that's what I expect most females to say. It's a good thing that they're not wanting children aged 19, and by the time they're 25, this may well change.

Yes every family may have issues but do you not think it is selfish to still bring children into the world simply because you want to, regardless of what you may or may not be passing on to them?

I don't think it's stupid at all; I know what I faced as a child and I never want to be responsible for another human being going through the same thing - is that really so ridiculous? I don't want to have children for many reasons but one of them is that I don't want to bring children into this world when there is absolutely no way I could ever guarantee that they will be safe, happy, healthy etc and to me that's selfish. If I ever did want children I would adopt - there are already so many children who are suffering and in need of a home in the world and I'd rather raise them then bring yet another baby - who never asked to be born - into the world simply because, I don't know, I got broody, or wanted to leave my mark on the world, or someone to look after me when I'm old or something.

Please note - because TSR always seems to get me involved in cyber-fights I never meant to start - I'm not trying to insult you nor your desire to have kids. I respect everyone's decision to want children, just trying to show why it's not necessarily ridiculous to decide not to want them for the reasons you mentioned.

What I do have a problem with however, is why all the females who don't want kids are attacking the men who do want kids.

erm I would. Part-time sure, it would be great to spend a lot of time with a child. I have nothing wrong with that.

What I do have a problem with however, is why all the females who don't want kids are attacking the men who do want kids. If a man wants children, and a woman doesn't how is it wrong for the man to decide to leave? I'm sure if it was the other way around most of you would be spewing hydrocholoric acid across the thread.

Oh, you're doing it already, my bad.

This. I've heard countless young women say they don't want kids but realistically how many 50 year olds do you know who don't have any? There's this common event among women who are adamant that they don't want kids that when they reach their middle-ages e.g. 40, they develop 'eleventh hour syndrome' where they realise this is the last possible time they can have a child so they go crazy and do anything in order to get pregnant, even if they're not in a proper relationship.

The problem is that we live in a society where it very rarely makes financial sense for a man to take on the majority of childcare duties in the first year of a child's life - we don't get the same state support. This forces most couples to have the mother stay at home and the father work, unless the earning differential is significant. This reinforces a patriarchal attitude in the workplace that enhances wider social beliefs on the role of men and women in childcare.

Nothing like letting the sexism card getting in the way of reality or biology in this case.

To be honest, the fact that you associate child-bearing with the female role in classical partriarchy says much more about your prejudices than mine.

Ignoring the casual misogyny here, how many 50 year olds do you know who aren't your parents or your friends parents? The reason you don't know many 50 year olds without kids is because there's no reason for you to know them.

I know plenty of men who are in their 50s and have no children or knowledge/responsibility of a child. I know younger men and women often state that they don't want children but it seems to be only the men who actually stick by this promise in most cases.

Read what you wrote again and think about HOW LITTLE THAT MAKES SENSE.

For every woman that has a child, that child has a father. For every mother there is a father. So how on earth can you suggest that there are tons more mothers than fathers?

Like I said, men can be fathers without knowing it. It's impossible for that to be the case with a woman.

One man can impregnate several women.

Good for you. My boyfriend says the same- that he would love to bring up our future children and let me have a career. But unfortunately you guys are in the minority.

The reason why I have little time for men who demand that their partners bear them children is that women are so much more affected by having children than men are. In the majority of cases having children just won't affect a man's life in the way it affects a woman's life- and to ask for a woman to have children with you is a BIG ask. That's why the men in this thread are irritating- because of their expectant, demanding attitudes to women regarding kids.

Obviously, I don't have a problem with a man wanting children, for it to be his prerogative, for it to be a dealbreaker for him. What I have a problem with is the way so many men feel like they're entitled to have their wife/girlfriend bear them children, bring them up, give up their bodies and their careers for them, when men generally have little to do with raising the kids. I feel a bit like, "well, yeah, it's easy for you to say you demand children, isn't it".

Do you seriously think this alone has caused there to be a huge amount- so much that you've noticed it- more mothers than (knowing) fathers? Are you seriously saying there are so many men who don't know they have kids that you can actually notice the discrepancy between the number of mothers and fathers in the country?

And one woman can have kids by several men.

Okay, I find the posts on this thread kind of alarming. If they're actually serious that is...

I guess I'm fortunate to have a bf who doesn't want kids either, albeit for different reasons from mine.