Is bullfighting the sickest spectacle on earth?

It's disgusting. Enough rubbish about how animals aren't equal to humans, what a stupid thing to say. Would you like it if your pets were treated this way? The only good thing is if a bull decides to get its on back. I really hope they abolish bullfighting.

Enough rubbish about how animals aren't equal to humans, what a stupid thing to say.

Why is that a stupid thing to say?

It really isn't obvious that animals are equal to humans, and if they are it's an extremely recent moral discovery....

and which animals are 'equal' to humans? The fluffy cute ones? I should imagine that you have no hesitation to kill the wasp or spider irritating you, but they are animals, and you don't kill people irritating you, nor do you consider them in the same way.

and it's too simplistic to say that animals suffer or experience pain. I'm pretty sure if you had rats you'd not hesitate to get rid of them, but they pretty obviously can experience pain and suffer.

What would it even mean for an animal to be 'equal' to a human; for it to be subject to British law? Or the universal decleration of...... human rights?

Oh that's alright then............
So we can cause immense pain to any animal we like in the name of fun? I mean if they're not equal then surley we can do anything we like to them, no matter how much they suffer?
We used to think black wern't equal to whites so we treated them appalingly and made them salves. According to your logic this is fine.

I'm sorry but you are a disgrace to the human race!

Oh that's alright then............
So we can cause immense pain to any animal we like in the name of fun? I mean if they're not equal then surley we can do anything we like to them, no matter how much they suffer?
We used to think black wern't equal to whites so we treated them appalingly and made them salves. According to your logic this is fine.

I'm sorry but you are a disgrace to the human race!

Why is that a stupid thing to say?

It really isn't obvious that animals are equal to humans, and if they are it's an extremely recent moral discovery.... ? and which animals are 'equal' to humans? The fluffy cute ones? I should imagine that you have no hesitation to kill the wasp or spider irritating you, but they are animals, and you don't kill people irritating you, nor do you consider them in the same way.

and it's too simplistic to say that animals suffer or experience pain. I'm pretty sure if you had rats you'd not hesitate to get rid of them, but they pretty obviously can experience pain and suffer.

Isn't it? Well, that speaks volumes about you then. I will refrain as you are a SW Londoner like me but in the U.K there's generally that attitude that both are equal... and no I don't kill spiders or wasps! However, it is one thing to kill an insect outright and another to taunt and torment animals before killing them. It's really inhumane and I'm surprised at anyone who wouldn't argue against it.... In the same way you can't just say oh plenty of other animals suffer, lets just keep this tradition to keep a sick minority of people that watch these acts happy.

typical british arrogance

I've been researching Spanish culture for Spanish class and I came across a bullfight on YouTube. If you skip to 5:05 in the vid, you'll see the ending for the bull isn't swift but rather torture! I used to think of bullfighting as just a cultural difference, but surley this sort of macabre torture can't be allowed in the 21st century, not in Europe anyhow.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLDWjPdCCTs&feature=related

Isn't it? Well, that speaks volumes about you then. I will refrain as you are a SW Londoner like me but in the U.K there's generally that attitude that both are equal... and no I don't kill spiders or wasps! However, it is one thing to kill an insect outright and another to taunt and torment animals before killing them. It's really inhumane and I'm surprised at anyone who wouldn't argue against it.... In the same way you can't just say oh plenty of other animals suffer, lets just keep this tradition to keep a sick minority of people that watch these acts happy.

You can't argue that all animals are on the same level as humans. While torturing an animal is a cruel act, ridding yourself of pests is completely normal and there is nothing wrong with that. I kill wasps on a regular basis, hell in my lifetime if there was a war crimes court for crimes against the wasp species I probably would be charged with genocide. Here in the south though they are a pest and when they sting your pets and make life a painful experience. Drown them, lit them on fire, killed them with chemicals, smashed them...etc

Isn't it? Well, that speaks volumes about you then. I will refrain as you are a SW Londoner like me but in the U.K there's generally that attitude that both are equal... and no I don't kill spiders or wasps! However, it is one thing to kill an insect outright and another to taunt and torment animals before killing them. It's really inhumane and I'm surprised at anyone who wouldn't argue against it.... In the same way you can't just say oh plenty of other animals suffer, lets just keep this tradition to keep a sick minority of people that watch these acts happy.

You should read "Death in the Afternoon" by Hemingway. I'm not saying it would convert you or anything, but it's always good to expose yourself to the opposite perspective.

If you have to kill a few insects because they threaten your quality of life, then so be it. That is a complete contrast from bullfighting and a pretty weak argument in support of bullfighting, when the bulls aren't actually hurting anyone from the off. They merely retaliate when provoked.

It's not overly pleasant, but I've seen worse.

I'd prefer if more people were involved in a slightly different version of the tradition. The bull isn't harmed at all, the guys just jump over it when it runs at them.
Much more impressive and humane.