The Student Room Group

Integration.

Double integral for x limit, 0 to 1 and y limit x to root(x) with respect to dydx

Doing the inner integral gives 4(x^2)y + 4y^3/3, sub in the limits we get

(4x^5/2 + 4(x^3/2)/3) - (4x^3 + 4x^3/3)

Integrate again, we get (8(x^7/2)/7 + 8(x^5/2)/15) - (x^4 + 4x^4/12)

We forget the minus as that is related to the zero limit so focus on the upper limit 1 and yields an area of 88/105 and the answer is supposed to be 36/105. Am I wrong or is the sheet wrong?

Thanks in advance.
(edited 13 years ago)

Scroll to see replies

Original post by boromir9111
Double integral for x limit, 0 to 1 and y limit x to root(x) with respect to dydx

Doing the inner integral gives 4(x^2)y + 4y^3/3, sub in the limits we get

(4x^5/2 + 4(x^3/2)/3) - (4x^3 + 4x^3/3)

Integrate again, we get (8(x^7/2)/7 + 8(x^5/2)/15) - (x^4 + 4x^4/12)

We forget the minus as that is related to the zero limit so focus on the upper limit 1 and yields an area of 88/105 and the answer is supposed to be 36/105. Am I wrong or is the sheet wrong?

Thanks in advance.


[87x72+815x5243x4]01=87+81543=36105=1235 \displaystyle \left[ \dfrac{8}{7}x^{\frac{7}{2}} + \dfrac{8}{15}x^{\frac{5}{2}} - \dfrac{4}{3}x^4 \right]^1_0 = \dfrac{8}{7} + \dfrac{8}{15} - \dfrac{4}{3} = \dfrac{36}{105} =\dfrac{12}{35}
Reply 2
Original post by Clarity Incognito
[87x72+815x5243x4]01=87+81543=36105=1235 \displaystyle \left[ \dfrac{8}{7}x^{\frac{7}{2}} + \dfrac{8}{15}x^{\frac{5}{2}} - \dfrac{4}{3}x^4 \right]^1_0 = \dfrac{8}{7} + \dfrac{8}{15} - \dfrac{4}{3} = \dfrac{36}{105} =\dfrac{12}{35}


1^5/2 = 1/2, 1^7/2 = 1/2 thus giving me a fraction different to yours. How did you get 8/7, 8/15?
Reply 3
Original post by boromir9111
1^5/2 = 1/2, 1^7/2 = 1/2 thus giving me a fraction different to yours. How did you get 8/7, 8/15?


:erm:

15/2=15=1=11^{5/2}=\sqrt{1^5}=\sqrt{1}=1. :yep:
Reply 4
Original post by james.h
:erm:

15/2=15=1=11^{5/2}=\sqrt{1^5}=\sqrt{1}=1. :yep:


Cheers mate.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by boromir9111
1^5/2 = 1/2, 1^7/2 = 1/2 thus giving me a fraction different to yours. How did you get 8/7, 8/15?


:teehee:

(brackets, brackets, brackets!)
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by Clarity Incognito
:teehee:

(brackets, brackets, brackets!)


Oh dear me. What a silly error to make lol. Cheers for that mate, much appreciated :smile:
Reply 7
"Evaluate the double integral for x, from 1 to e and y, from 1 to e

y/x . dxdy

Reverse the order of integration and re-evaluate."

So from dxdy I can get the answer they want on the sheet which is, (1+e^2)/4 but the order reversed, dydx, I get (e^2 - 3)/4

So, limits are for y, from 1 to x and for x, 1 to e. Is this correct?
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 8
Original post by boromir9111
"Evaluate the double integral for x, from 1 to e and y, from 1 to y

y/x . dxdy

Reverse the order of integration and re-evaluate."

So from dxdy I can get the answer they want on the sheet which is, (1+e^2)/4 but the order reversed, dydx, I get (e^2 - 3)/4

So, limits are for y, from 1 to x and for x, 1 to e. Is this correct?


Draw a diagram for the function, and it'll become clear where to integrate across.
Reply 9
Original post by Don John
Draw a diagram for the function, and it'll become clear where to integrate across.


Yeah, I did draw a diagram but I am fishy on it tbh, is my limits wrong?
Reply 10
I've just read you've put integrating y from 1 to y, this makes no sense, do you mean integrating x from 1 to y?
Reply 11
Original post by Don John
I've just read you've put integrating y from 1 to y, this makes no sense, do you mean integrating x from 1 to y?


Oh my bad, I meant 1 to e for my limits as y. Will change that now. That is what is given, I have to re-evaluate to integrate dydx.
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 12
Original post by boromir9111
Oh my bad, I meant 1 to e for my limits as y. Will change that now. That is what is given, I have to re-evaluate to integrate dydx.


Here's a diagram. Does this help?
Reply 13
Original post by Don John
Here's a diagram. Does this help?


Actually that image worked perfect mate. I totally understand it now!!! thanks for that. + repped.
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 14
double integral for y, from 0 to pi/2 and x, from 0 to y

cos(2y)×1k2sin2xdxdy \cos(2y) \times \sqrt{1 - k^{2}sin^{2}x} dxdy

k is a constant.

So, (1-k^2*sin^2(x))^1/2. How do I integrate this?
Original post by boromir9111
double integral for y, from 0 to pi/2 and x, from 0 to y

cos(2y)×1k2sin2xdxdy \cos(2y) \times \sqrt{1 - k^{2}sin^{2}x} dxdy

k is a constant.

So, (1-k^2*sin^2(x))^1/2. How do I integrate this?


A substitution of u=(1-k^2sin^2(x)) works, rearranging to get sin(x) and using triangles to get cos(x) and then partial fractions, have yet to think of a more elegant method.
Reply 16
Original post by Clarity Incognito
A substitution of u=(1-k^2sin^2(x)) works, rearranging to get sin(x) and using triangles to get cos(x) and then partial fractions, have yet to think of a more elegant method.


Thanks for your message!

I rearranged the integral to do it in the dxdy direction, I am left with

sin(2x)*(1-k^2*sin^2(x))^1/2 dx with the limits from 0 to pi/2 but that doesn't help at all.

The answer is supposed to be

((1-k^2)^3/2 -1)/3k^2

Did you get near that?
Original post by boromir9111
Thanks for your message!

I rearranged the integral to do it in the dxdy direction, I am left with

sin(2x)*(1-k^2*sin^2(x))^1/2 dx with the limits from 0 to pi/2 but that doesn't help at all.

The answer is supposed to be

((1-k^2)^3/2 -1)/3k^2

Did you get near that?


I'm going to concentrate on getting you to the integral of (1k2sin2(x))12 (1-k^2sin^2(x))^{\frac{1}{2}} and I'll let you do the rest.

(1k2sin2(x))12 dx \displaystyle \int (1-k^2sin^2(x))^{\frac{1}{2}} \ dx

u=1k2sin2(x) u =1-k^2sin^2(x)

sin(x)=(1u)12k sin(x) = \dfrac{(1-u)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k}

so cos(x)=(k21+u)12k cos(x) = \dfrac{(k^2-1+u)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k}

dudx=2k2sin(x)cos(x) \dfrac{du}{dx} = -2k^2sin(x)cos(x)

12u12k2sin(x)cos(x) du \displaystyle -\dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{u^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k^2sin(x)cos(x)} \ du

12u12(k21+u)(1u) du \displaystyle -\dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{u^{\frac{1}{2}}}{\sqrt{(k^2-1+u)(1-u)}} \ du

Partial fractions and then integrate.
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 18
Original post by Clarity Incognito
I'm going to concentrate on getting you to the integral of (1k2sin2(x))12 (1-k^2sin^2(x))^{\frac{1}{2}} and I'll let you do the rest.

(1k2sin2(x))12 dx \displaystyle \int (1-k^2sin^2(x))^{\frac{1}{2}} \ dx

u=1k2sin2(x) u =1-k^2sin^2(x)

sin(x)=(1u)12k sin(x) = \dfrac{(1-u)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k}

so cos(x)=(k21+u)12k cos(x) = \dfrac{(k^2-1+u)^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k}

dudx=2k2sin(x)cos(x) \dfrac{du}{dx} = -2k^2sin(x)cos(x)

12u12k2sin(x)cos(x) du \displaystyle -\dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{u^{\frac{1}{2}}}{k^2sin(x)cos(x)} \ du

12u12(k21+u)(1u) du \displaystyle -\dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{u^{\frac{1}{2}}}{\sqrt{(k^2-1+u)(1-u)}} \ du

Partial fractions and then integrate.



Thanks mate. Much appreciated! :smile:

Actually mate, isn't it supposed to be k -1+u and not k^2 -1+u? cos^2(x) = 1-sin^2(x),

So we have 1 - ((1-u)^1/2)/k etc etc?
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by boromir9111
Thanks mate. Much appreciated! :smile:

Actually mate, isn't it supposed to be k -1+u and not k^2 -1+u? cos^2(x) = 1-sin^2(x),

So we have 1 - ((1-u)^1/2)k etc etc?


cos2(x)=1sin2x=11uk2=k21+uk2 cos^2(x)= 1-sin^2x = 1 - \dfrac{1-u}{k^2} = \dfrac{k^2 - 1 + u}{k^2}

Quick Reply

Latest