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Can someone help me answer this question in a past paper! i dont know how to answer plz plz someone help! Mainly looking to get C answerd!
question is in attachment!

Thanks in advance

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Reply 1
Original post by mujahid_e3
Can someone help me answer this question in a past paper! i dont know how to answer plz plz someone help! Mainly looking to get C answerd!
question is in attachment!

Thanks in advance


What have you done so far? :smile:
Reply 2
Did you get for b) ==> -1/4 < k < 3

for c) draw a parabola, since we know the equation involves k^2

(a parabola is the U curve).

now it mentions to state the coordinates of any intersections with the coordinate axes. Before, it told us that the equation f(x)=0 has no real roots, this means it does not cross the x-axis.

The minimum point can be worked out from the equation (x+p)^2 + q.

I got: p=2k q=(-4k^2 + 3 + 11k)

then it says k=1

so p=2 and q=(-4 + 3 + 11) = 14-4 = 10

p=2 q=10

now then we have (x+2)^2 + 10

so our minimum point is (-2,10)

it is -2 not +2 since, the equation takes the form: (x-a)^2 + b

but in this case "a" must be negative since we have ( x+2) ===> i.e. (x-(-2)) = (x+2)

so you draw a U curve with the minimum point at (-2,10)

Now it crosses the y axis when x=0 ===> so put x=0 into this equation and we get:
(x+2)^2 + 10

(0+2)^2 + 10 = 14

so it crosses the y-axis at (0,14)

I hope this helps!
Reply 3
Original post by sulexk
Did you get for b) ==> -1/4 < k < 3

for c) draw a parabola, since we know the equation involves k^2

(a parabola is the U curve).

now it mentions to state the coordinates of any intersections with the coordinate axes. Before, it told us that the equation f(x)=0 has no real roots, this means it does not cross the x-axis.

The minimum point can be worked out from the equation (x+p)^2 + q.

I got: p=2k q=(-4k^2 + 3 + 11k)

then it says k=1

so p=2 and q=(-4 + 3 + 11) = 14-4 = 10

p=2 q=10

now then we have (x+2)^2 + 10

so our minimum point is (-2,10)

it is -2 not +2 since, the equation takes the form: (x-a)^2 + b

but in this case "a" must be negative since we have ( x+2) ===> i.e. (x-(-2)) = (x+2)

so you draw a U curve with the minimum point at (-2,10)

Now it crosses the y axis when x=0 ===> so put x=0 into this equation and we get:
(x+2)^2 + 10

(0+2)^2 + 10 = 14

so it crosses the y-axis at (0,14)

I hope this helps!


same, but I had -10 and not 10 in the completed square part (minimum points). But I probably made the mistake :smile:
Reply 4
Original post by Beth1234
What have you done so far? :smile:


nothing!!! dont know how to answer it!
Reply 5
Original post by ilyking
same, but I had -10 and not 10 in the completed square part (minimum points). But I probably made the mistake :smile:



Ahh cool :smile:
Reply 6
Original post by mujahid_e3
nothing!!! dont know how to answer it!


did you read my working out for your question?

I hope its exactly what you are looking for!


Thank you :smile:
Reply 7
Original post by sulexk
Did you get for b) ==> -1/4 < k < 3

for c) draw a parabola, since we know the equation involves k^2

(a parabola is the U curve).

now it mentions to state the coordinates of any intersections with the coordinate axes. Before, it told us that the equation f(x)=0 has no real roots, this means it does not cross the x-axis.

The minimum point can be worked out from the equation (x+p)^2 + q.

I got: p=2k q=(-4k^2 + 3 + 11k)

then it says k=1

so p=2 and q=(-4 + 3 + 11) = 14-4 = 10

p=2 q=10

now then we have (x+2)^2 + 10

so our minimum point is (-2,10)

it is -2 not +2 since, the equation takes the form: (x-a)^2 + b

but in this case "a" must be negative since we have ( x+2) ===> i.e. (x-(-2)) = (x+2)

so you draw a U curve with the minimum point at (-2,10)

Now it crosses the y axis when x=0 ===> so put x=0 into this equation and we get:
(x+2)^2 + 10

(0+2)^2 + 10 = 14

so it crosses the y-axis at (0,14)

I hope this helps!


Yes for b) i got what you wrote. Where you got q=(-4k^2 + 3 + 11k) i got 4k^2-11k-3? is this wrong? how did you get p to = 2k ? could you please explain why it is -2 and not 2??
apart from that helped alot!

Thanks
Reply 8
lol wat paper is this from? I think this might have been from my own paper which i sat lol.
Reply 9
Original post by mujahid_e3
Where you got q=(-4k^2 + 3 + 11k) i got 4k^2-11k-3? is this wrong? how did you get p to = 2k ? could you please explain why it is -2 and not 2??


Well, completing the square, it's:
From the original equation, f(x)=x2+4kx+(3+11k)f(x)=x^2+4kx+(3+11k)
f(x)=(x+2k)2(2k)2+(3+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2-(2k)^2+(3+11k) (standard way of completing square! :tongue:)
Rearrange to get: f(x)=(x+2k)2+(4k2+3k+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2+(-4k^2+3k+11k)
Comparing this with f(x)=(x+p)2+qf(x)=(x+p)^2+q, we get:
p=2kp=2k and q=4k2+3k+11kq=-4k^2+3k+11k

As for why it's -2 and not 2, well, the minimum value y can take is y=10. And the point where that occurs is when (x+2)^2=0... so x=-2!

Hope that helps! :smile: (And I am known to make mistakes, so if anything confuses you, ask away! :biggrin:)
Reply 10
Original post by peri93
lol wat paper is this from? I think this might have been from my own paper which i sat lol.


Jan 2010!! do u know how to answer it?
Reply 11
Original post by Beth1234
Well, completing the square, it's:
From the original equation, f(x)=x2+4kx+(3+11k)f(x)=x^2+4kx+(3+11k)
f(x)=(x+2k)2(2k)2+(3+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2-(2k)^2+(3+11k) (standard way of completing square! :tongue:)
Rearrange to get: f(x)=(x+2k)2+(4k2+3k+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2+(-4k^2+3k+11k)
Comparing this with f(x)=(x+p)2+qf(x)=(x+p)^2+q, we get:
p=2kp=2k and q=4k2+3k+11kq=-4k^2+3k+11k

As for why it's -2 and not 2, well, the minimum value y can take is y=10. And the point where that occurs is when (x+2)^2=0... so x=-2!

Hope that helps! :smile: (And I am known to make mistakes, so if anything confuses you, ask away! :biggrin:)


Ok so what do i do after that!!
Original post by mujahid_e3
Ok so what do i do after that!!


f(x)=0f(x)=0 has no real roots.
What does this suggest about (4k)241(3+11k)(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k)?
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 13
Original post by TimmonaPortella
f(x)=0f(x)=0 has no real roots.
What does this suggest about (4k)241(3+11k)(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k)?


Its a quadratic and does not cross x axis?? I dont know there is a reason i ask??
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 14
Original post by sulexk
did you read my working out for your question?

I hope its exactly what you are looking for!


Thank you :smile:


Yes read your working out!! Can u just explain how you got p= 2k??? Apart from that i understood everything!! Thanks for the help
Reply 15
Original post by Beth1234
Well, completing the square, it's:
From the original equation, f(x)=x2+4kx+(3+11k)f(x)=x^2+4kx+(3+11k)
f(x)=(x+2k)2(2k)2+(3+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2-(2k)^2+(3+11k) (standard way of completing square! :tongue:)
Rearrange to get: f(x)=(x+2k)2+(4k2+3k+11k)f(x)=(x+2k)^2+(-4k^2+3k+11k)
Comparing this with f(x)=(x+p)2+qf(x)=(x+p)^2+q, we get:
p=2kp=2k and q=4k2+3k+11kq=-4k^2+3k+11k

As for why it's -2 and not 2, well, the minimum value y can take is y=10. And the point where that occurs is when (x+2)^2=0... so x=-2!

Hope that helps! :smile: (And I am known to make mistakes, so if anything confuses you, ask away! :biggrin:)


can u just explain one thing when you re-arrange how did u get
f(x)=(x+2k)^2+(-4k^2+3k+11k)
?? i dont understand how you got the 3k? aint it just meant to be 3??

Thanks
Original post by mujahid_e3
Its a quadratic and does not cross x axis?? I dont know there is a reason i ask??


You're very sarcastic for someone who's coming to an online forum to seek help, I must say.

(4k)241(3+11k)(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k) is the discriminant.
The discriminant, as you should have been taught, is
b24acb^2-4 \cdot a \cdot c
where you have a quadratic equation given as
ax2+bx+c=0ax^2+bx+c =0
when
b24ac=0b^2-4\cdot a\cdot c=0, the equation has one real root.
when b24ac<0b^2 - 4\cdot a \cdot c <0, the equation has no real roots
when b24ac>0b^2-4 \cdot a\cdot c >0, the equation has two real roots.
this is because the roots of a quadratic equation are given by the quadratic formula:
b±b24ac2a\dfrac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4 \cdot a \cdot c}}{2a}

so, the discriminant is the bit under the square root. square roots are not defined in real numbers when negative.

so, if f(x)=0f(x)=0 has no real roots
(4k)241(3+11k)<0(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k)<0
solve that inequality for values of k.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by mujahid_e3
Jan 2010!! do u know how to answer it?


Looks simple:smile: Will post workings tomorrow:smile:
Reply 18
Original post by TobeTheHero
Looks simple:smile: Will post workings tomorrow:smile:


Please do will help alot!

Thanks
Reply 19
Original post by TimmonaPortella
You're very sarcastic for someone who's coming to an online forum to seek help, I must say.

(4k)241(3+11k)(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k) is the discriminant.
The discriminant, as you should have been taught, is
b24acb^2-4 \cdot a \cdot c
where you have a quadratic equation given as
ax2+bx+c=0ax^2+bx+c =0
when
b24ac=0b^2-4\cdot a\cdot c=0, the equation has one real root.
when b24ac<0b^2 - 4\cdot a \cdot c <0, the equation has no real roots
when b24ac>0b^2-4 \cdot a\cdot c >0, the equation has two real roots.
this is because the roots of a quadratic equation are given by the quadratic formula:
b±b24ac2a\dfrac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4 \cdot a \cdot c}}{2a}

so, the discriminant is the bit under the square root. square roots are not defined in real numbers when negative.

so, if f(x)=0f(x)=0 has no real roots
(4k)241(3+11k)<0(4k)^2-4 \cdot 1 \cdot (3+11k)<0
solve that inequality for values of k.



What's with all the . dont get it?

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