Poorer students will now get 2 free years uni. another attack on middle income family

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But you still didn't answer my question, what is a child from a wealthy family suppose to do if their parents refuse to support them above the age of 18, and why should these children less entitled to get financial help?

You have been talking a hell of a lot of sense in this thread.

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How exactly will you be 'struggling to pay the bill' when you wont have to pay it back 'until you are in high earning jobs' ?

Hands up if you would live here all of your childhood so that you could get a couple of years free uni tuition?



Being born poor puts children at an educational disadvantage, being born middle class doesnt.

Maybe you might not be getting money off your parents, but I sure as hell if you got into any trouble they'd bail you out, if you were desperate for food they'd get you some. If you dropped out they'd take you back into their home. You and other middle class people may have a safety net, but many lower class people do not.

And I'm sorry, if you're going to tell me your parents wouldn't do any of the above, you're bull****ting. Do not overestimate your own independence.

it's not the tuition fees that put the middle class in a dilemna, it's the maintenance loans.

Middle class families find themselves in a position where they do not qualify for Maintenance grants due to the reasonable income but cannot afford to pay the entire maintenance needs; because realistically, a £3k maintenance loan will not cover food, uni stuff and accommodation

Maybe you might not be getting money off your parents, but I sure as hell if you got into any trouble they'd bail you out, if you were desperate for food they'd get you some. If you dropped out they'd take you back into their home. You and other middle class people may have a safety net, but many lower class people do not.

And I'm sorry, if you're going to tell me your parents wouldn't do any of the above, you're bull****ting. Do not overestimate your own independence.

What you arent getting, is that family income has a much bigger effect than finances. The source that you didnt read shows that. The two people in your example are not equal, the poor one is carrying around an extra burden that had you bothered to read the source you would understand.

You have been talking a hell of a lot of sense in this thread.

You are spectacularly naive. Even coming from a wealthy family, you are entitled to student support adequate for your education, and it is your parents' choice whether they want to make your life easier or not. Why should the government give tax breaks to students from wealthy households, when they are already FAR more likely to attend a top university anyway? There is a spectacular shortage of students from poor backgrounds at top universities.

You are under the impression that as long as two students from households from either end of the income spectrum work equally hard, then they stand the same chance of getting into a top university.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

Why are children's abilities to get help suppose to be affected by the parents' income?

I can see how students from a wealthy background are likely to be supported by parents, but not everyone are. Just because someone has been fortunate in the past with parents sending them to a good school, it doesn't make it any easier for them to pay accomonation and fees then someone who did not have this advantage in the past if neither are recieving help from parents.

My situation is quite... strange?

But long story short, I'm not eligible for grants and I'm sure if this policy is actually implemented I won't be eligible for it either. My parents refuse to pay for ANY of the costs and I'm not arguing with them because I understand their reasons: that I'm going to be an adult and this is for my own future therefore I should be the one paying for it. I agree

Butttt it also means that I'm screwed. I guess I'll have to try and get a really good part time job, somehow.

That is not true that all parents would do so. Maybe it's just where I'm from, but it's not usual to not recieve any help from your parents when you leave home, none! Students take loans, apply for support and take part take jobs. Not meaning to sound rude, but your parents might provide that safety net, please do not assume that everyone else are just as lucky as you.

They can, they just choose to pay for other things instead...like a big garden, new kitchen or a nice holiday. when they choose to spend money on these luxaries, they are making the decision to have less money available for other things.

Poor families dont have enough money to begin with.
Middle income families do, they just dont spend it well.

No, quite frankly I don't understand. If they were able to get the grades required to get into a university, through hard work, why would they not be able to survive on a student loan, same as many other students? If this extra buden didn't make the student unable to get the grades in the first place in your example so why should it be more of a problem after getting the place?

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I don't come from a middle class family.

You, however, clearly do.

so my parents should be expected to live like a low income family with no luxuries just so I can go to university?



Jog on

Why would you assume that I come from a middle class family?