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Will my friend get kicked out of medical school ?
I have a family friend who I don't really know that well but I've been asked to find out what could happen to him.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
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hes in a world of **** imho.
Id hope his indian school dont do anything but i have no idea what their policies are.
KCL will bum him and tell him to go back to india.
Id hope his indian school dont do anything but i have no idea what their policies are.
KCL will bum him and tell him to go back to india.
Original post by Arenas123
Original post by Arenas123
I have a family friend who I don't really know that well but I've been asked to find out what could happen to him.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
He shouldn't be paying the guy anything, if the guy is demanding money surely the police could get involved with that. Sounds very underhand. As for whether it's acceptable to do a year of med school in India and then start again in UK I have no idea where he would stand on that.
Original post by TomInce6666
hes in a world of **** imho.
Id hope his indian school dont do anything but i have no idea what their policies are.
KCL will bum him and tell him to go back to india.
Id hope his indian school dont do anything but i have no idea what their policies are.
KCL will bum him and tell him to go back to india.
He doesn't care about his indian school he doesn't want to go back.
When you say 'bum him' do you mean kick him out ?
What on earth are you on about tell him to go back to india ? He's british born and raised. He can stay here if he wants.
For everyone else I don't want advice on the blackmail issue. If it comes down to staying in medical school or paying I know he will do it.
Original post by Arenas123
He doesn't care about his indian school he doesn't want to go back.
When you say 'bum him' do you mean kick him out ?
What on earth are you on about tell him to go back to india ? He's british born and raised. He can stay here if he wants.
For everyone else I don't want advice on the blackmail issue. If it comes down to staying in medical school or paying I know he will do it.
When you say 'bum him' do you mean kick him out ?
What on earth are you on about tell him to go back to india ? He's british born and raised. He can stay here if he wants.
For everyone else I don't want advice on the blackmail issue. If it comes down to staying in medical school or paying I know he will do it.
If KCL dont want previous med students then why would they give him any leeway at all?
Original post by TomInce6666
If KCL dont want previous med students then why would they give him any leeway at all?
He's not asking for leeway
He's asking to not be kicked out. I don't think he cares if there is some disciplinary action against him.
I've never been to medical school and I know everything's a bit stricter there but I'm almost positive this will not affect his chances of staying in medical school. It doesn't relate to his competance to practice medicine and he hasn't actively lied to anyone.
I was just hoping that someone on here could give me an idea how problematic this would be or not be.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some punishment but kicking him out because he spent an extra year at another medical school
I'd understand if it was a medical school in this country because he would be wasting resources but I don't think he has a problem. Sadly in my house because I'm not in medical school I don't really get a say in these things.Original post by Arenas123
I have a family friend who I don't really know that well but I've been asked to find out what could happen to him.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
Basically he tried to get in to medical school here but didn't, So he went to medical school in India. While he was there he applied here again. When he was asked what he did in his gap year he said ''I spent it in India''. Did not mention the fact he had been to medical school.
Now this guy from India has shown up at his university (KCL if that matters) and is threatening to report him to the medical school.
I rang the medical school for him yesterday. I asked if they would consider someone who has started medical school elsewhere. They said no.
Can he really be kicked out of medical school ? He's paid for one year's tuition already and is half way through the year. He has been truthful about his grades and everything else. It's not like this is something like a criminal record.
Please could someone give me there oppinion. If it is a problem he's going to have to pay this guy not to say anything and he's asking for a lot.
Hi
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
Original post by ambersa
Hi
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
It's not illegal, but unis can make their own rules and one of KCL's medical school rules could well be that they don't accept people who have been medical students elsewhere.
In that case, they'll argue that he didn't inform them of the full circumstances so they accepted him under false pretences, and therefore can kick him out.
Original post by ambersa
Hi
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
It's got nothing to do with the law. KCL medical school can make their own decision based on their own rules of admission.
Ouch your friend is in deep excrement here.
Either pay the 'ransom' where this guy can just **** off and spill the beans anyway...and still be caught out, OR be honest and go against KCL's rules of admission.
I have to say, being honest is the best thing you could do morally and reapplying to Unis he could actually have an honest shot at...as this can all go tits up and get messy.
Though tbh if I was in the same situation as your friend I would be tempted to take the risk.
Either pay the 'ransom' where this guy can just **** off and spill the beans anyway...and still be caught out, OR be honest and go against KCL's rules of admission.
I have to say, being honest is the best thing you could do morally and reapplying to Unis he could actually have an honest shot at...as this can all go tits up and get messy.
Though tbh if I was in the same situation as your friend I would be tempted to take the risk.
Of course he wont be kicked out. Blackmail is a crime so report the blackmailer to the police. Tell your friend to withdraw from medical school in India. (or, indeed, KCL if he prefers India)
Now what about the ethics- your friend hasn't been totally open and honest has he? So in future he needs to be. If he has got funding on the basis the KCL degree is his first degree that is more serious. If this is the case your friend needs to discuss it with the bursar and his tutor asap
Now what about the ethics- your friend hasn't been totally open and honest has he? So in future he needs to be. If he has got funding on the basis the KCL degree is his first degree that is more serious. If this is the case your friend needs to discuss it with the bursar and his tutor asap
In fact he should discuss the whole situation with his tutor asap
Original post by ambersa
Hi
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
From my experience of people I know switching courses etc, as long as your friend has actually withdrawn attendance from the med school in India and he is no longer a student at any other Uni, then there is absolutley no reason why he should be kicked out, especially if he isn't even an applicant and is already a student on the course at KCL.
There is no law against switching unis or courses, whether in this country or not. people do it all the time, and I know loaaadddssss.
So tell your friend that if he is no longer a student at any other Uni, he shouldn't really have anything to worry about, and to just ignore the idiot who is threatening him.
But if your friend hasn't officially withdrawn from the other med school, and as far as the indian med school knows, he's supposed to still be attending, but in fact he is going to school in london, that is a COMPLETELY different story, and KCL probably would kick him out for that.
Tell your friend to make sure he isn't a student at the med school in India anymore, and also to be on the safe side, tell KCL (maybe his tutor) the situation, that he switched med schools. It shouldn't be a problem
I'm only posting how this ended because it might help someone else in the future.
Right this is the closest to the right answer. I say right answer because this situation came to a conclusion just now.
He hadn't paid for second year tuition in India or even taken his final exams for first year (He got the offer before they started) So his admission to the other medical school wasn't an issue.
Everyone going on about lying by omission being the same as lying is wrong. My uncle rang a lawyer before him and my dad escorted this boy to the university to talk to his tutor. My friends university does not come up on the UCAS list of prior institutions so he said he assumed he need not mention it.
Everyone going on about how KCL can just chuck him out is wrong to as he was told he had a good chance in a legal battle because for a start your UCAS form isn't a compulsary biography. You don't have to put everything on there. KCL had the right to ask him if he had previously attended medical school but they never did. The lawyer said that there are legitimate reasons to kick somebody out of university but this wasn't it. Especially seeing as he has NEVER taken a student loan out or attended an institution in UK. I assume KCL's no student who has previously attended medical school thing only applies for UK medical school/
From what I hear his tutor wasn't even that annoyed but before people think this is ok. The main reason he got away with this was because the other course was in India. Meaning he has never been in a government supported institute. He was told if his other course had been in England he may of been kicked out but as it's India it's no problem.
Everyone in my house has been going crazy about this but I knew this would be the outcome. KCL have no right to ruin someones life and waste a year (or two years if he can't apply in time) for this reason. Lying on a UCAS form is not ok but I don't believe he did this. Why is the fact he attended another medical school even relevant ? Oh how dare he spend a year gaining more medical knowledge. What would KCL say in court when they were asked how him going to medical school in another country affected his right to go to medical school here as well ? KCL or any other medical school (not sure about this just what my cousin informed us about) do not state in the entrance requirements or any other clearly visible place that attending another medical school means you cannot come to KCL. This is why he would of had a right to challenge the decision and probably win.
Apparently if you've attended another UK institution UCAS know about it anyway so they can inform the university.
Before people start negging me this is all information that was told to us by a lawyer/ my friends tutor/ the people my family contacted for advice.
I do not know why you are all saying he won't get kicked out...
The real issue here, and hence why the other guy is blackmailing him is because if you start a medical course ANYWHERE and leave for whatever reason UK medical schools are unlikely to take you on. This student applied to UCAS under false pretences, he stated he was in india but did not mention the fact that he was at uni which constitutes lying. KCL thought he was a gap year student when he was not and the student took up a place that could have gone to someone else. If the GMC ever found this out, the guy would have no chances of succeeding in any healthcare profession due to fitness to practice rules. Tell your friend to google the case of Dr Prabhu Satya - a dr struck off the medical register for lying on his UCAS form about not being a medical student previously.
The real issue here, and hence why the other guy is blackmailing him is because if you start a medical course ANYWHERE and leave for whatever reason UK medical schools are unlikely to take you on. This student applied to UCAS under false pretences, he stated he was in india but did not mention the fact that he was at uni which constitutes lying. KCL thought he was a gap year student when he was not and the student took up a place that could have gone to someone else. If the GMC ever found this out, the guy would have no chances of succeeding in any healthcare profession due to fitness to practice rules. Tell your friend to google the case of Dr Prabhu Satya - a dr struck off the medical register for lying on his UCAS form about not being a medical student previously.
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