What's your view on the Niq'ab and Hij'ab?

Of course no woman wants to be objectified but most men, and not just in Britain, treat women like pieces of meat with no respect for them whatsoever particularly when you cheapen yourself by wearing as little as possible. The hijab is a way to avoid this

I am not judging anyone, merely going on experience. To not go on that would make me nieve.


Seriously, why do you think women are looked down on in the UK of all places?


However, if you are a woman and don't want to be treated like a piece of meat then :
a) stop hanging around dicks
b) get a personality. Why most girls are treated as meat is because they have not much going on upstairs. A prime example is girls and general knowledge and their hobbies. most of the time girls have neither making them extremely boring people.

The hijab is an extreme way to force the person to wear decent clothes rather then having fashion sense and self control. You could dress well, attractively, and look sophisticated if you put the time into it.

From the looks of things, the hijab is no more the fat fighters for people's morals rather then weight. If you truly had self control you would be able to get all the benefits of the hijab without having to wear it.

The Hijab does NOT make you gain any more respect. Whatever you wear will not make you "a piece of meat" in the eyes of a decent, respectful man. If a man doesn't respect you, it's his problem, not yours. I'm not gonna change the way I dress because men are dicks.

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Who I or you know is irrelevant, and living how you want is not always good for everyone else around you.
To believe so is to be very nieve.

The fact that these immigrants do not want to integrate into British society is only going to lead to problems, thus they should rethink why they came to Britain in the first place.




Why do you wear it?
How has it helped you?
How has it been "liberating"?

If you actually read the post I said women are treated like meat everywhere.

I agree with what you say about dressing decent and most women here do dress decent and have self-respect for themselves but that doesn't stop them being judged for their looks first. How many times have you hit on decent dressed girls with the intention of getting them into bed and how many of those were wearing hijab?

By the way you spelt 'naive' wrong again

I am not and you're not aware of the majority of the British citizens, how can you form a stance as to what traditions are upheld. Individuals are choosing the way they live.

Not all immigrants are Muslim, not all of them wear the niq'ab even if they are Muslim immigrants, there are British born Muslims who also wear this item.

So if Zara chooses to wear the ni'qab in public out of her own free-will, what will you choose to do about it?

If you dress like a tart a decent respectful man will generally not want to be in a long term relationship with you so technically is does matter how you dress in the eyes of 'decent respectful man'

Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought women who dress with their boobs hanging out do so to get the attention of men? Surely its not for the benefit of other women is it or am I missing something...

How many countries have you been to?
To say they are treated like meat everywhere is one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever heard.

Everyone is judged on their looks. If all you know about someone is how they look then it is all you have to base an opinion on that person. You will be judged on how you look, especially for wearing a hijab.
As for hitting on decent looking girls, I do not try to 'hit on' girls but rather I try get to know them first, and as for one night stands, I too do not do that either, which is my point about the hijab. If I was a woman then I would be following all the customs of wearing one, yet through my only self control rather then having to wear something to remind myself of how I feel.
Though for guys who do hit on girls just to get them into bed, as I said before, you also have to look at the girl. If she is just something good to look at, then she will be treated like an object.
But if she has a good personality, then the guy will most likely try to pursue a relationship and show her respect, yet as most girls lack this mystical thing called a personality due to many have no hobbies, interests, or any general knowledge, many guys would not waste the time getting to know someone that boring.

Well, you are generalising here

I do not find that dressing sexy makes men disrespect me.
In fact, if a man judges whether he wants to be in a long term relationship with me or not by the way I dress, I would not want to be with that man.

Why would men avoid being in a long term relationship with a girl that dresses sexy anyway?
because men (not all, I don't want to generalise here) want to control women, have them all to themselves and don't want any other men to ever look at them ever!

I do agree that women dress like that to get attention from men. What is wrong with that though? Getting attention from men does not mean a woman will be treated as a piece of meat.

I admit, I love it when men look at me when I wear something sexy. I feel beautiful, I feel sexy and confident.
But I wouldn't let men disrespect me and treat me as a piece of meat.

Think of it the other way as well.
Think of men dressing sexy.
Have you ever heard of people calling them tarts or accusing them of seeking attention??

And honestly, who doesn't just looooove attention?
I don't think if there's anything more satisfying than telling a guy to eff off because you have a bf

Yes, I do practise Islam in here but I believe my actions never alienate other people from me, despite the fact I live in an area where majority is non-Muslim.

People should respect each other, no matter what their religion or belief is. I don't go around and start preaching people and forcing them to change their views.

So please

This is where the empowerment thing comes in with hijab. It's pretty pathetic that you need a man's attention to feel beautiful and confident especially coming from someone whose just criticised Islam for being anti-feminist

Technically you are being treated like a piece of meat when you've got your boobs hanging out and a man is giving you loads of attention

Also yes I have heard of men dressing sexy be accused of seeking attention. I think the term man-whore is very appropriate here

I don't think the niqab should be allowed in public just as I don't think people should be allowed to walk around in public wearing a balaclava or a hockey mask, however the hijab is ok.

But they do both offend me greatly. They are in effect saying they think all white men are sexual predators and will rape them for not covering their face completely.

So then as a practising Muslim you should be aware of how important it is for a woman to be modest and cover herself up? Im sure God knew what he was talking about when he told the women to cover their faces! Just because you don't fit in sometimes or feel 'alienated' does that mean as muslims we should change the way we dress and act? Why change yourself just to fit in to the majority? & I don't even understand why you think the hijab alienates women.. there are some people who are fine about it and socialising with them is no problem what so ever and others who can't see beyond the whole bubble of 'oppression' and what not..