Undergraduate Masters?

I'm slightly confused as to what one is. The course length is 4 years long, and it is a MEng. However, I think I may applied for the wrong one and should have applied for the course with Industrial Experience instead.

So, my question is, what is the difference between a Undergraduate Masters and a Single Honours with Industrial Experience and is it possible for me to change my choice, even though it has been over 14 days after sending of my application.

In particular I am referring to this course HERE. I have already sent 2 e-mails to admissions, but I thought I may have a better chance of getting a response here.

Reply 1

The_Rev

I know that double posting is against the rules, so go ahead, give me negative rep, I just think that other users would find it easier to view the solution to a problem like this on a separate post.

After using the search feature a countless amount of times, and viewing around 300 threads, I was still unable to find anything on this forum relating to this matter, until now!

All credit is due to f1 fanatic who was able to explain to me what the difference is.

undergraduate masters is the 4 year course. You basically do the whole 4 years and graduate with a Masters (MEng) rather than doing a BSc and then applying again to do a further Masters MSc year. Undergraduate masters are extremely common in the physical sciences.

So, in conclusion, you can get a MEng in 4 years!

Reply 2

hypocriticaljap

Original post by The_Rev

and you've been given the usual rubbish answer. An MEng IS NOT equivalent to a BSc followed by an MSc.

Reply 3

The_Rev

Original post by hypocriticaljap

and you've been given the usual rubbish answer. An MEng IS NOT equivalent to a BSc followed by an MSc.

I know that, and I know that employers treat these two qualifications much differently, but I'm just happy that I've got the answer I needed to my question.

Reply 4

danny111

Original post by hypocriticaljap

and you've been given the usual rubbish answer. An MEng IS NOT equivalent to a BSc followed by an MSc.

Is it better or worse?

Reply 5

hothedgehog

Original post by The_Rev

To be honest, you might be able to change whilst you're at uni so I wouldn't worry too much. The undergrad masters, as you say, is 4 years long with the 4th year generally being project work etc. whereas the one with industry is likely (but i'm not 100% sure!) is a BSc with a work placement for your 3rd year and then doing the work you would usually do in 3rd year of the BSc course as your 4th year.

If I were you and I had applied to the wrong course I would probably ring (rather than email because they're so easy to ignore!) them and explain to them what's happened. They might give you an offer for the course you want to be on instead or they might not but if you're set on going to Hull then you can probably change over to the other course when/if you get in there if you've got the prerequisites for it.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 6

The_Rev

The MEng, which includes an extra year of Masters-level taught study and guaranteed industrial experience in a commercial software development unit.

That's taken straight from their website. The content taught is exactly the same, I know that, and you're also allowed to change course at the start of Year 2. After looking into this, I'm actually happier to do the Undergraduate Master than the BSc with industrial experience. But, I'll still have a think about that over the weekend.

I'm still unsure as to which one is better though, so I can't give you a direct answer, yet...

Reply 7

F1 fanatic

Original post by hypocriticaljap

and you've been given the usual rubbish answer. An MEng IS NOT equivalent to a BSc followed by an MSc.

I don't believe I said anywhere that they were equivalent actually...

Reply 8

The_Rev

Original post by F1 fanatic

I don't believe I said anywhere that they were equivalent actually...

I was thinking the exact same thing as well, I just decided to brush it under the carpet though :smile:

. However, after a quick bit of searching around on this forum and googling, the main difference is the cost. It varies a lot depending on the course though, MSc's often have a academic year worth of taught modules and another semester completing a project. But this course guarantees me industrial experience.Oh, and MSc is usually a postgrad degree, whilst an MEng is usually an undergrad degree.

An MEng is more of a BSc where as an MSc shows specialised knowledge in a particular area. Well that's the view that employees take, according to threads on this forum. :smile:

Reply 9

F1 fanatic

Original post by The_Rev

I was thinking the exact same thing as well, I just decided to brush it under the carpet though :smile:

Yeah, generally I would say that an MSc tends to be slightly better regarded than an MEng in industry because it is a postgraduate qualification and because it is generally more project/research based while the undergraduate course is more teaching with a small project.

Reply 10

kaosu_souzousha

I am doing Meng with a year in indsutry which is a 4 year programme and extra year in the middle for industrial placement. Why does it matter if you get Meng or Msc? you will still get accredited by relevant bodies and they could not care less.