Why are people so ignorant about suicide and depression?

And here we have it! The all important answer! I was wonderign when this would come.
Now tell me, how is your answer to my question any different from what ive been arguing. Ive been saying we shouldnt let people kill themselves- you said we shoudnt let people kill themselves. i said we should treat and help them- you said we should treat and help them.

Still havent answered the question mate. Im beginning to think you are trolling because youve managed to avoid my question several times.

Yeah I know. Does that mean the people should just kill themselves? In cases of depression people can be treated and sometimes cured. For other things treatment is the answer not suicide. If someone kills themselves not only have they failed at life, but it seems like society has failed for not providing the correct help.

I avoided it because it wasn't relevant to your original argument about how weak these people apparently are.


However, from a personal point of view yes I'd say if they don't respond to treatment, it's unlikely that things will ever get any better and they hate their life enough to kill themselves, hell go right ahead. I believe people own their lives, they should have the freedom to end it if they wish and if they're gaining zero pleasure only pain from life will little chance of recovery then it's no different, imo, to euthanasia for physical problems. Mental pain doesn't hurt any less than physical, not that you'd know clearly.

Now I've said that you'll ignore any points arguing against your original statement and go off on some irrelevant tangent. I thought I set out quite well what my disagreements with you were, but oh well, off you go down that route. Funny you talk about avoiding the question but you avoided every single ****ing point I made.

I sincerely hope it affects you one day.

I did actually. I said that nobody should have to feel suicidal and that they should all get treatment to the best ability of the pro involved. That means "NO. Suicide=bad".
Hospitalisation is a valid part of treatment. So is rehabilitation (i.e. treat them so that they don't need hospital anymore.)
Both of us agree that suicide is horrible. Both of us agree that people should not commit suicide, and that treatment is by far the better option.
I did not contest either of these facts.
The bit that I have a problem with, is you calling people who successfully commit suicide "weak".
We also probably differ in opinion in that I don't hate those people who do commit suicide. I pity them. I wish I could have helped. And it makes me want to improve the system that clearly didn't reach them.
Good night

I support the fact that euthanasia is right in some circumstances. I would be hypocritical therefore if I did not also acknowledge that suicide is right in some circumstances. (note - I am acknowledging that people have freedom over their own life and bodies. I am not suggesting that people should go out and commit suicide. Quite the opposite. As suicide is final, you have to be sure it is the right decision. To be sure of that properly, knowing that you aren't being irrational, you must have stayed alive so long that the root cause is usually fixed long before then. I do not support suicides decided on a whim. Please don't neg me because you don't understand my views on suicide - I'm just liberal and support freedom.)

However, in the majority of cases, the root problem can be sorted eventually. This means that the person suffers until then. Until the root problem is sorted, they will undergo depression, which doesn't always have an easy fix. You say you won't get suicidal because you sort things out? Sorting things out can take time.

'Failed at life'.. well, that rather depends on your subjective view of what a successful life is.
The second is often true though.. In the majority of cases, society can and should help, and don't, due to waiting lists/prejudice/etc.

Please read my post again, and again and another time until you understand what I am trying to tell you.

1) These people need help. Duh.
2) We should try to help them

These things we all agree with you on....

However, we think are ignorant because you have demonstrated your lack of knowledge on mental illness. It is obvious you are unable to relate with or empathise with sufferers and we were trying (and failing) to make you open your eyes and see how difficult it is to treat and how many people don't understand the severity of mental illness as opposed to ones we can see, touch, feel or relate too. It is a constant uphill battle and unfortunately some don't make it along the way. However, this is only one reason for suicide... That's all I'm trying to say really. Night

Interested in what Lewroll thinks about his argument now I

Whatare you talking about? My argument has stayed the same this entire conversation. Treat these people, dont let them kill themselves. Have you even read this thread?

I say no. But I do have a problem with what you say.

On the one hand, you say people should be stopped killing themselves and be offered help.

On the other hand, you say people who are offered 'help' (and this is assuming that help is adequate) and then kill themselves should be offered no sympathy, and are better of dead to society. and therefore you are ok with them killing themselves.

Kind of a strange way of thinking to me They both counter each other.

not really, i seem to remember most of those comments were made by one troll

i think it really is just a case of internet dickheads, people on TSR are also very quick to judge virgins/slags/the religious/the homosexuals

same applies in real life for a lot of that, too

its mostly attention seeking. if you really had problems your first thought wouldn't exactly be ' i know ill log onto the student room and post about how i want to kill myself'. or upload some pathetic sad story, most of which aren't even that serious.

They just like the attention they get. like ' you don't need to do that i bet your an amazing person' and all that rubbish!

Great we have an answer people. 'Let them kill themselves'. If i let someone kill themselves then i will feel ive failed. I like to help people, do you?

The only reason i avoided your points is because you avoided my initial question. I still maintain that people that try to kill themselves need help and are taking the easy way out. Its our job to help them any way we can. And dont say its not the easy way. It is. It certainly isnt the hard way, which would be fighting through it and trying to survive- a natural human instinct.

Well thats not a very nice thing to say is it. Why would you wish this horrible thing on anyone. Thats a sick thing to say mate. If thats how your brain works then you need help. Wishing mental illnessess on people, well ive seen it all now!

Suicide- the easy way out. Suicide is for cowards and those who kill themselves didnt deserve life (not talking about euthanasia/assisted suicide)

So I was reading this thread http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28902489#post28902489

and I'm completely shocked and appalled at some of the responses, for example:

"Suicide is for the weakminded"
"Survival of the fittest, he deserved to die"
"I have no sympathy with people who do this selfish act" etc.

How can people be so heartless and ignorant? Also, surely people should be more angry at the bullies? That poor boy died because of some cold hearted, foul people who were complete and utter cowards.

Depression is a chemical imbalance for Gods sake, I don't know why people see it any differently from any other illness. Having it does NOT make you weak in any way, no more than having any other illness does. Why the ignorance and the judgement?

The problem here is the bullies, surely more should be done to combat bullying and abuse?

Urgh this makes me ridiculously angry. People who've never had depression or felt suicidal have no right to judge.

woow can't believe you are all of those