Are Labour party members stupid?

I just watched a live Q and A session and i couldn't help but wonder why so many people still support Labour, attacking coalition plans to do something about the state of this countries finances, while offering no sensible ideas.

I mean people must surely see that this was all a result of 13 years under Labour and its actually their fault! but no, the conservatives try and clean up after them and are forced to raise taxes or make cuts, so everyone hates them and votes Labour again, who then go on another spending spree trying to buy votes.

Their new leader is the most un-charismatic character and comes across as desperate and just takes every opportunity to disagree with the coalition, even if its a Labour policy too!

Considering Labour's policy of a Graduate tax, we're pretty lucky to be getting the tuition fee deal we are getting. That would have been even more unfair. 2% on minimum wage would have been a lot to pay, and would have been nothing for a graduate on 60k - not progressive at all.

Ed Milliband..
You need to ask yourself a simple question.
Are you serious?

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This will end well.

The thing is if Labour won the General Election, they would actually be proposing the current reforms. :sigh:

Reply 3

Captain92

Intelligent Labour Party Member representing.

Reply 4

Organ

Maybe. But I cannot fathom why any normal human being would vote for, let alone be part of the Tory party.

Reply 5

JacksterD

It's important to realise that being a member of the Labour Party does not mean fully supporting Labour's record in Government or fully supporting the current party policy on every single issue.

Reply 6

F i s

Labour would resolve the deficit issue greater in comparison to the Conservatives who plan to bulldoze the welfare state.

Reply 7

Captain92

Original post by JacksterD

It's important to realise that being a member of the Labour Party does not mean fully supporting Labour's record in Government or fully supporting the current party policy on every single issue.

This.

Reply 8

yahyahyahs

Original post by borat47

FINALLY, someone on TSR who agrees that Labour are idiots!

Original post by F i s

Labour would resolve the deficit issue greater in comparison to the Conservatives who plan to bulldoze the welfare state.

Resolve? They caused the deficit.

Yes.

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Original post by borat47

+ repped, not that i care much about that stuff.

Anyway, there should be a poll included and the obvious answer = Yes.

Reply 11

VagnTheBrave

Original post by borat47

If you haven't noticed Labour have a new leader, which generally means that the direction of the party will change somewhat, hence why Labour have not yet offered any alternatives, it takes time to draft plans, you cannot do it instantly, to think so is pure idiocy. I'd suggest we wait another few months before waiting to see what plans the Labour party would suggest instead. The coalition has had to rush making its own plans because it is in government and hence can not afford to be seen to do nothing.

I mean people must surely see that this was all a result of 13 years under Labour and its actually their fault! but no, the conservatives try and clean up after them and are forced to raise taxes or make cuts, so everyone hates them and votes Labour again, who then go on another spending spree trying to buy votes.

Yes and the deficit has absolutely nothing to do with the global financial crisis, don't forget that 6 months before the Lehman Brothers collapsed George Osborne was attacking the then Labour government for not allowing the banks to have even less regulation. Hindsight is a wonderous thing to have, but it is not useful all the time.

Their new leader is the most un-charismatic character and comes across as desperate and just takes every opportunity to disagree with the coalition, even if its a Labour policy too!

Really? Is Ed Milliband really less charismatic than Gordon Brown? By no means does he have the charisma of Tony Blair, but to say he is the less charismatic than Gordon Brown is, frankly, absurd.

Considering Labour's policy of a Graduate tax, we're pretty lucky to be getting the tuition fee deal we are getting. That would have been even more unfair. 2% on minimum wage would have been a lot to pay, and would have been nothing for a graduate on 60k - not progressive at all.

To be honest I've not checked Labour's graduate tax policy, so I haven't yet analysed it and to be honest, it will probably be different by the next general election, unless the coalition government collapses, so I can't really comment on it.

Ed Milliband..
You need to ask yourself a simple question.
Are you serious?

He is a new leader and didn't play a particularly large role in the last Labour government, i.e. he wasn't a minister, so he is still adjusting to the job. Give him a until say March and then judge him. The fact he wasn't part of the last Labour government can only really help, as he doesn't have the stigma of being associated with Gordon Brown's failures.

Reply 12

jklmn

Yes, yes they are. I do not know how New Labour were relected once let alone twice.
How people can even consider voting for them now is beyond me.

Reply 13

Aspiringlawstudent

Yes.

Next question, please.

Reply 14

mynameisq

Yeah, everyone knows if the Tories had been in there would have been no global collapse, and they obviously would have been tough on their banker chums atleast saving us some money(!)

Reply 15

pothead1

Original post by VagnTheBrave

Really? Is Ed Milliband really less charismatic than Gordon Brown? By no means does he have the charisma of Tony Blair, but to say he is the less charismatic than Gordon Brown is, frankly, absurd.

There are other parts of your post I disagreed with, but just to address this one.

Ed Milliband may not be as ugly, monotonous, tired looking, grumpy etc. as Brown. However, Brown had something that made him connect with a certain demographic. I don't know how that demographic can be defined, maybe 'boring people'? But Ed Milliband even lacks that. :lol:

Edited to add: Labour is doomed. People will see passed their farce sooner or later, or so I hope atleast..

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 16

Joluk

Original post by borat47

2% on minimum wage would have been a lot to pay, and would have been nothing for a graduate on 60k - not progressive at all.

*facepalm*

Reply 17

Summergirl.x

No. They are just deluded.

Reply 18

NyLonEd

Neg rep?

There seems to be a few Labour supporters here.

WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE WORLD?!

Reply 19

mellie220

Having Ed Miliband as a leader really doesn't help their image :P
I'm not really against Labour, but he is an idiot and makes the whole Labour party look like idiots too.