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LSE is not preferred to oxbridge, your living in gaga land. That list is:

1. Oxbridge
2. LSE
3. Imperial (debatable between UCL)
4. UCL
5. Warwick

At the end of the day once you are a part of one of the unis above it is down to you as a person whether you get in. I would say a good way to break in is do a BO internship and at the end request a switch to a different service line. I recently interned at RBS and many people did that and managed to get ACs for FO even though they were from non target unis....

You're f

ucking kidding right?

Reply 41

i_hate_teeth

The FT says
Inner circle: Oxbridge & Imperial
Outer Circle: LSE, UCL Warwick

Reply 42

The IC Guy

Original post by i_hate_teeth

The FT says
Inner circle: Oxbridge & Imperial
Outer Circle: LSE, UCL Warwick

I guess the debate is usually what is the best uni after Oxbridge, Imperial or LSE? For trading, structuring and maybe research I guess Imperial; for almost everything else LSE.

Just make sure you go to Imperial if you make your offer :wink:

Reply 43

i_hate_teeth

Original post by The IC Guy

I made them my firm choice already, and I'm pretty confident I can make that offer. In fact I think I'll probably exceed it, but anyways..did you go to Imperial?

Reply 44

The IC Guy

Original post by i_hate_teeth

I made them my firm choice already, and I'm pretty confident I can make that offer. In fact I think I'll probably exceed it, but anyways..did you go to Imperial?

I did, graduated this summer. I did civil.

Good luck with your exams... Hopefully you get what you need!

Reply 45

i_hate_teeth

Original post by The IC Guy

Out of trading, structuring, research and eveything else, what area of IBD will get me the highest starting salary, also when people refer to 'quant' roles what do they mean? I would like to do something technical/mathematics based if possible.

Reply 46

i_hate_teeth

Original post by The IC Guy

I did, graduated this summer. I did civil.

Good luck with your exams... Hopefully you get what you need!

cool, what are you doing now? Also will an MEng make me a more competitive applicant than someone with a BEng? And what would look better to an IB..a year spent abroad or EEE & Management?

Reply 47

The IC Guy

Original post by i_hate_teeth

will pm you in a sec

Reply 48

President_Ben

Original post by kam_007

Which is why you think it is potentially wise for someone to blow away four years or more on further academic study?

Awful.

Reply 49

singh316

Original post by The IC Guy

You're f

ucking kidding right?

Imperial is higher in most rankings purely because they have a business school, for undergraduates you will find far more UCL candidates coming straight from undergrad to FO roles+ UCL is drastically improving (ranked 4th best university in the world 2 years running). I have an offer for IBD and I have been told by many recruiters they are beginning to prefer UCL students because they are far more well rounded...

Reply 50

The IC Guy

Original post by singh316

Imperial's business school is mediocre, you can't even do an undergrad course there. Why would it influence undergrad rankings?

What are these rankings you are talking about anyway? I've never really cared for uni rankings biased towards unis where the students are 'satisfied'. The fact that we are above you in these means absolutely nothing. Imperial is a better uni because it has higher entry requirements, Imperial grads have higher employment rates, higher average salaries, it's much tougher to get a 2:1 at Imperial etc. etc.

You probably do have more grads going into FO roles, because UCL has more students. You'd have to compare success rates for students from each uni applying for positions, but I don't think the data exists.

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Reply 51

singh316

I very much doubt u have higher entry requirements, UCL are widely known to have the hardest entry requirements for the last few years. Secondly Imperial only ranks higher due to their research in some rankings, it is a highly specialised science uni and therefore pumps all its investment into it. UCL is much more rounded, sure you will find imperial quants and modellers but not as many in other departments. It is a great uni no doubt, just abit lifeless if you ask me and believe it or not other bankers want interesting people to spend 100 hours a week with!

Reply 52

epc

Does it really matter how Oxbridge, lSE, Imperial and UCL rank?

Reply 53

singh316

No. i think if you are determined and at either you have as good a chance....

Reply 54

epc

I know, they're spending too much time time arguing whether LSE is better than Oxbridge or if Imperial is better than UCL, when going to either one of them would not put you in a better position than going to another.

Reply 55

i_hate_teeth

Original post by singh316

Imperial has higher entry requirements, thats a fact. You need A*A*A to study Maths or Joint Maths and Computing at IC, that's higher than Oxford, Cambridge and UCL. The majority of courses at IC require an A* in maths and an A in further maths. This is not the case for science subjects at UCL.

First you said IC ranks higher because of the business school, and now you're saying it ranks higher due to research conducted there. It really isn't lifeless at all, it's actually very vibrant, and VERY competitive (I'm basing this on my own experiances of visiting IC and talking to some of the undergraduates).

Not that it matters, but what are you studying at UCL and did you apply to Imperial College? You sound a little bitter tbh.

Edit: At the UCL open day I was told by the admissions staff that 38% of their grads go on to work in the city, at IC, the admissions staff told me that 50% of their EEE grads work in the city.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 56

Altruistic1

It probably doesn't really matter too much as long as you're in one of those 5 universities. Everyone there has pretty much the same academic background and banks have different cultures/requirements/locations so will value certain universities (and their graduate calibre) differently.

If I remember right, UBS tends to recruit (in the UK) more from Warwick than other universities. Lazard/Rothschild will of course value Oxbridge/LSE the most. SocGen... I'd imagine LSE. Research divisions would probably value IC the most. Etc. But nothing is set in stone... it really depends on the person.

Reply 57

TeamBlueGravy

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 58

whiplash

Original post by i_hate_teeth

when people refer to 'quant' roles what do they mean? I would like to do something technical/mathematics based if possible.

Quant roles are typically associate entry and you need a Ph. D., although some will look at you with a strong stats/maths masters. Google for options pricing, random variables, stochastic calculus, advanced probability brainteasers and get cosy.

Reply 59

Altruistic1

Original post by i_hate_teeth

Those figures are useless. You can work in the City as... a lawyer? an accountant? a chimney sweep?

IC is highly valued but it's not a birth right to enter into IBD - banks don't just recruit on academics. I've seen a fair few people from IC/Oxbridge at events sitting in the corner, talking to no-one and not participating. I've seen people from IC speak to recruiters (in front of a crowd), jumble up their sentences (because they're not Native English) and make themselves look like fools.

These recruiters realise most students have similar academics but they want people they can sit with for 15 hours a day and enjoy working with. All in all it really depends on the individual.