Are there any truly 'bad' universities in the UK?

Bull****. The majority of candidates that goes there for the prestige will get weeded out. And the ones that do get in, well, would it really matter?

Why not? They're still universities?

Classics is an extremely tough degree which you need a knowledge of Latin and/or Greek to complete. I'd like you to see you study it.
Theology is a respectable and highly academic arts degree comparable with History or English Literature.
As for Music - oh come on! Of course that is a respectable degree, especially at a music conservatoire.

I'm sick of you trying to defend certain universities, and I'm shocked you can even dare criticise Oxbridge and Classics degree.

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I definitely went there for an education.

I'm not passing comment on STEM or Medicine, the merits of those subjects should be obvious to everyone here.

I'm just making a point about how subjective the worth of a subject is, the point being a subject is either worth studying at degree level or it isn't. You can't have Law as a valid subject at Oxford and a waste of time and resources at Herts.

If a subject like music is perfectly valid to study then why not film? Why not animation?

I'm not for or against any degrees, I think people should be free to plan their future as they see fit but not everyone does.

As per usual, being over-the-top defensive of one's university. Just flogging a dead horse.

I'm just making a point about how subjective the worth of a subject is, the point being a subject is either worth studying at degree level or it isn't. You can't have Law as a valid subject at Oxford and a waste of time and resources at Herts.

If a subject like music is perfectly valid to study then why not film? Why not animation?

Its not about that. Before I start you should also know I'm not at university and am a 2011 applicant. A 2011 applicant for much lesser universities than Oxbridge or even top 10. In fact, I've only applied to two Russell Group universities.



It does sound incredibly snobbish to say Oxbridge students work harder than others, but there is a difference - especially in the final year. I won't hang onto this though since not only does it make me look like a massive snob, but of course I appreciate how hard students work at other universities. This isn't easy to measure anyway so was a bit of a foolish point to make.



I know what you mean, but post 1992 universities will never be as old as Oxbridge. I hope you understand how that works?



Oxbridge students have far superior teaching to those at (for the sake of argument) Sheffield Hallam. My sister who has just graduated was taught almost 1 to 1 for most of her studying - very few other places offer that. Another fundamental is that the content of the degree is simply harder to get through. Don't believe me? Compare it for yourself - I can only speak for English in this aspect, but the reading list my Sister was crazy compared to some of her friends at 'lesser' universities.

So the basic two things I'm trying to convey are that as you move up the league tables the difficulty of a degree generally increases, and at Oxbridge teaching is more superior due to the nature of how it works there. I didn't really want to get into an argument about this and I am by no means an Oxbridge snob, I just think you're being short sighted when you say that a degree from any UK university is going to be worth the same as each other. Just as an example, for IB there is a list of universities that the major firms select students from - many even have systems where if you aren't holding a degree from that list you're filtered out all together or your application loses points.

if a student has basically failed their A'levels, there is no way they should be allowed to waste taxpayers money having even more education at a higher level. so any university that lets them do that is obviously run terribly

University of Highlands and Islands.
Students per place: 0.6
Dropout rate: 40%
Proportion of 1sts and 2 Mostly unclassified.

But it is also a beautiful place, brilliant for mature students and very convenient for Gaelic students.
Just because I wouldn't go, doesn't mean others shouldn't.

Bull**** - you get a top quality education at one institution, and the other, well, I wouldn't.



You cannot compare those subjects. Music can be studied academically and only those who have a "special gift" can acclaim to the highest points of Music. For some careers, you need a top-quality music education to get anywhere, or even to harness one's education of the subject etc etc.

Film/animation - yeah, because there are such things as "film conservatoire" or "animation scholarships".

Bull**** - you get a top quality education at one institution, and the other, well, I wouldn't.

But you'd still become a lawyer, if you desired.

Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull****

I have never read such an atrocious post! Well done matey.

Have you attended Herts? No.

Have you met anyone who went to Herts? No.

What makes you a judge to say what Uni is good or bad? Pathetic league tables.

You would't because it's your choice.

I still cannot believe that post. Such a close minded individual.

A degree is a degree.

Reading the law forums, you really think you would become a barrister with a 3rd in Law from Hertfordshire?

A degree is NOT a degree.

I never said barrister. We don't all want to be the top of our game, some people would be perfectly happy just being a high street solicitor.

Also, who said anything about a 3rd? People at Hertfordshire can get a 2.1, you know...

A barrister is a type of lawyer. There is every possibility of getting a 3rd at Herts, just like getting a 2:1.

Some people aim for the top. Judging by that comment, you're more or less assuming the people go to Herts don't aim for the top.

'Nuff said.