Tips for the getting out the friend zone?

That's what I sort of meant, showing higher value, showing that you're not to be stomped over etc, I didn't explain it clearly enough methinks. Good point about escalation though, I've never thought about that.

There's loads more to it than that. But everything else and every other trick feeds into Value and Escalation in some way.

I'm just wondering - have you seen the show Keys to the VIP? It's downright hilarious. It's about testing player's abilities to pull at nightclubs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBEko44gqfU

A lot of what you've said is shown in the show's episodes.

It's a good laugh :L but I wouldn't try and copy those "players". Most of them have no game.

Hasn't worked in my experience, actually. I'm guessing you used the nice guy approach? It sorta never worked out for me.

A Swiss friend of mine on the other hand was a total jerk to girls. I thought he was retarded, but he got plenty of chicks to him. I've learnt from him.

It sounds cheesy, but be yourself, be confident, and wait until you meet someone who likes you. Worth it when it comes around.

Where's the guy who always says:

"put them in the rape zone"?

Why would you even be interested in dating when you're 15? Have you ever tried humor? That gets them ladies.. all the time.

Hey babies. And men.


So I got into the friend zones of several girls last year, when I naively thought as a 15/16 year old that being very nice leads to much pussy to hammer. Wrong.
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I agree with you, especially the last bit. The thing is though that me and my Swiss friend both aren't into relationships, mostly because we're busy with school lives, and... reasons based on not wanting emotional fusses. Sounds pretty shallow for the girls but unfortunately that's the way it is.

But if I'm finding a relationship, I've always followed the message of the last sentence.

I'm 17 now, nearing 18 in July. And I'll be in university in September so I need training...

And I'm aight with humour

Oh then it's cool. All I can say is if you fancy a girl..(that made me sound so British)..just go and ask her out. Try not to get friend zoned. And for a place to go out, try places where you can actually talk and concentrate on each other and have fun at the same time. So try and avoid movies. Just throwing some advice out there for ya brah if you get past the first stage.

Well, when you grow up, (i.e. relationship sex where you have time to explore each others bodies and learn EVERY LITTLE THING that turns them on) you'll realize that the "friend zone" is the optimal place to be if you want some really good sex (relationship sex where you have time to explore each others bodies and learn EVERY LITTLE THING that turns them on) .

I don't mean to be patronising, but after being in a relationship you realise how **** random pulls and hook-ups really are- so I wouldn't worry too much about getting girls.

Pulling ****loads of girls does NOT make you a better person. Don't make a big deal out of it.

Well, it's not good to be in the friend zone, where you're basically seen as not being sexual material, when the girl can pretty much choose any guy outside the zone.

I've figured that just being a complete dick to the girl is a way of getting yourself of out the friend zone. Be a jerk, don't reply to texts, MSN messages, facebook wall posts, but do reply to your other friends. If you will reply, appear unenthusiastic and take a long time. Then you'll seem like a proper jerk, you're not someone she can just rule and stomp over the whole time.