Are there any truly 'bad' universities in the UK?

So, if I don't agree with your opinion (that you put forward as fact) that's just my opinion and I should shut up?

Hypocrite much?

Nobody was talking about "perception" nobody cares about perception arguing over perception is like arguing over which lie is more true, you'd have to be ****ing insane or in a field tripping on LSD to find value in that.

Also you presented nothing, what do you want me to say?

I'm sorry I don't accept everything on face value. I'm sorry I actually read a report when it's presented to me. I'm sorry when someone presents themselves as an authority I try to find out who they are, who they know and what they know.


A study can be made to show whatever you want it to show it's just a matter of asking the right questions.

As for The Times, I'm actually a subscriber so I believe I have every right to comment on the puerile *******s they spread across my screen on a daily basis (with a few notable exceptions).

It's not my fault that they use questionable criteria and questionable methodology every time they seem to rank anything, I'd like to have a concise measure of quality but that isn't what The Times offer and I'm fairly sure the "leading" universities selected for "The Times Top 100 Employers" don't come from The Guardian so excuse me for being skeptical.

I discredited the stats based on the stats, deal with it.

Having taken part in quite a few graduate recruitment events for my employer I'll tell you what is important:

1) A proactive organiser within the university.
2) Location relative to employer's offices/reimbursement policy for attend graduate recruitment events.
3) Prior contacts with universities/alumni on staff.
4) Size/notoriety of recruitment event.
5) Level of interest in the stand at previous year's event (if applicable).

That's what is important and why, for instance, Manchester has large well attended recruitment fairs and St Andrews doesn't. It isn't rocket surgery.

In the question: are there?

EDIT: If you're going to arbitrarily name a university, you have to justify why it's a truly bad uni. Them's the rules.

Loads:

Middlesex
South Bank
Surrey
Oxford Brooks
Hertfortshire
Kent
Greenwich
Manchester
Aberdeen
Brunel
Kingston

You haven't justified a single one of them.

All of them for the same reason: Crap reputation. You won't have a chance to get a job.

You won't have a chance to get a job from Manchester, the most targeted uni?

Loads:

Middlesex
South Bank
Surrey
Oxford Brooks
Hertfortshire
Kent
Greenwich
Manchester
Aberdeen
Brunel
Kingston

What are you talking about? Manchester is some lower middle class uni and far from the top of UK.

Manchester, Kent, Surrey and Aberdeen aren't on the same 'awful' level as the others, no way. Most of the unis you've listed aren't awful. I'll give you Middlesex, South Bank, Greenwich and Kingston but even they're good for certain subjects. Oxford Brookes is getting better and Brunel is meant to be fairly good. Where are you getting this from?

What is this? Session expired. That happens if you chat ****!

Are you seriously telling me they are of the same standard as Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, LSE, Bristol, Bath,...?

Derby looks like an airport on the inside. Nuff said

Finally a sensible reply. I am going to presume your employer here is actually a major name, not a small firm because that's not we've been discussing here.
1) Does your employer look to have a proactive presence at every campus?
2) Location doesn't explain why certain universities in London are unable to attract big names when places like Warwick do.
3) How do you judge the level of interest or look at prior contacts when you look to go somewhere for the first time?

I acknowledge that when the difference in university stature is small(like Manchester vs St Andrews) these would be your primary criteria, but when it is quite big(as it is with say LSE vs Greenwich Uni, or Oxford vs TVU), are these factors the only ones or do you not look at the prestige of the university when deciding what places to target?

For starters do you have any idea how much harder an Oxbridge student has to work than someone studying at say Sheffield Hallam? In all honesty though, I can't even be bothered to argue with someone who can't understand why a university that is internationally one of the best in the world is superior to one that is unheard of outside of Britain...

Yes, they are a global corporate who employ a significant number of graduates in the UK. To answer your questions:

1) No, that would be too expensive.
2) But the other factors I mentioned may well do.
3) That is where the other factors I mentioned play more of a role, especially the first one.

Prestige really isn't a factor in the equation. We are predominately based in the midlands so we have our largest recruitment presence there, for example I know we recently had a recruitment stand at Derby Uni, but we have never had a stand at the LSE as far as I am aware (it would be very expensive and difficult to staff as our recruitment people are midlands-based).