TSR Med Students&#x27; Society Part III

Original post by Becca-Sarah

That's classic short sighted government syndrome. It's exactly what they're doing with teachers at the mo - cutting secondary training places for primary ones cos the baby boom is coming into primary school, so they're gonna be screwed in a few years with no secondary teachers.

It makes no sense. Is their something we're missing? Surely it doesn't take much nouse to realise that investing in something, only to not take it up, is going to result in a loss. There must be a reason why they did it in the first place, one would think.

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Becca-Sarah

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Original post by Woody.

It makes no sense. Is their something we're missing? Surely it doesn't take much nouse to realise that investing in something, only to not take it up, is going to result in a loss. There must be a reason why they did it in the first place, one would think.

5 year government terms. Why think about the long term when it'll be someone else's problem?

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

5 year government terms. Why think about the long term when it'll be someone else's problem?

Perhaps, but firstly I'd hope the government care a bit more for the country than that and secondly I imagine it is in the government's interest to be re-elected, making it their problem again. But bringing in more med students in isn't even something that would promote more votes, at least, I don't particularly see why it would.

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Becca-Sarah

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Original post by Woody.

Perhaps, but firstly I'd hope the government care a bit more for the country than that and secondly I imagine it is in the government's interest to be re-elected, making it their problem again. But bringing in more med students in isn't even something that would promote more votes, at least, I don't particularly see why it would.

All those new medical students were brought in under Labour. Anyway, I'm not entirely in favour of every single medical graduate getting a job forever and ever. Competition increases standards (note: this is not an argument for privatising the NHS. I'm entirely NOT in favour of that).

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

All those new medical students were brought in under Labour. Anyway, I'm not entirely in favour of every single medical graduate getting a job forever and ever. Competition increases standards (note: this is not an argument for privatising the NHS. I'm entirely NOT in favour of that).

Clearly this is an area where we both quite drastically disagree (apart from privitisation, which I am also vehemently against). It's a whole debate really, but I don't think here's the place for it!

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ThisLittlePiggy

Anyone else going to Ask Dr Clarke in Edinburgh on the 12th and 13th of March?

Potential Scottish Medical Meet up?

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Smile88egc

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Original post by Woody.

It has been in the news recently that many doctors have been unable to get a job

.....where?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/7173099.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article3137490.ece

http://www.bmj.com/content/286/6383/2079.citation

Original post by Smile88egc

.....where?

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Smile88egc

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It was my understanding that there are enough jobs for doctors, just not in their priority location or specialty,

So for the government to create new posts would be a waste of resources surely?

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20000055

(edited 13 years ago)

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Renal

Original post by Smile88egc

It was my understanding that there are enough jobs for doctors, just not in their priority location or specialty,

And not in training posts.

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Philosoraptor

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Original post by Becca-Sarah

All those new medical students were brought in under Labour. Anyway, I'm not entirely in favour of every single medical graduate getting a job forever and ever. Competition increases standards (note: this is not an argument for privatising the NHS. I'm entirely NOT in favour of that).

Oooh contentious - if you'd be any random poster you'd have got negged :p:

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Renal

Original post by Becca-Sarah

All those new medical students were brought in under Labour. Anyway, I'm not entirely in favour of every single medical graduate getting a job forever and ever. Competition increases standards (note: this is not an argument for privatising the NHS. I'm entirely NOT in favour of that).

I honestly don't consider the current system to be meritocratic competition by any stretch of the imagination.

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Becca-Sarah

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Original post by Renal

I honestly don't consider the current system to be meritocratic competition by any stretch of the imagination.

I wouldn't dare suggest that it was - I'm not sure I can see an easier fairer way of doing it though.

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Blatant Troll

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Medical Schools Council:

Dear all,

The ISFP project is looking to create a better method for selecting you into the Foundation Programme, which is your two year training programme after medical school and before you begin your specialist/general practice training. This would involve amending the current process, whereby you answer ‘white space’ questions (free text questions relating to the F1 job specification) and are awarded a score by your medical school, known as quartiles, based on how you perform at medical school.

Two new selection processes have been proposed, which will be fully piloted and evaluated before implementation:

Educational Performance Measure (EPM) which will take into account your performance during the course of your medical school career. Your medical school will use clear, consistent criteria to determine your score.

Situational Judgement Test (SJT) is a computer-marked, multiple choice test taken under invigilated conditions. There will be approximately 60 questions and it is expected to last approximately two hours. Questions will be designed to assessment the professional judgements and behaviours that foundation doctors are expected to possess.

Any changes to the system will be implemented for those of you beginning the Foundation Programme in August 2013. Changes will only be made if the pilots show the proposed changes are an improvement on the current system and if we are confident the process is robust and fair.

Apologies if I'm way behind the times, but we were emailed this today (incidentally Imperial is one of 9 medical schools piloting the SJT).
"The issue of extra curricula activities will be addressed" as part of the EPM. Apparently.

Thoughts?

:holmes:

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Mushi_master

Passed my mid-sessional, a good feeling.

Also, £25 for SSC prize from last year finally arrived, result!

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Dr. Hannibal Lecter

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Original post by Renal

No.

Have you ever....

...run for the position of 'Student Trustee'?

Dammit!! some lecturer/practical helper mentioned a student who had graduated, had a kidney removed, and was known as renal or somethign to that effect...

and why yes :holmes:

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Renal