US vetoes settlement resolution

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This is hilarious. It's either intentionally simplistic or intellectually dishonest. The USA is a society based on many, many things that directly contradict their actions here.

The five or so European societies are also based on property rights. Why did they oppose the illegal settlements?

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Reply 21

Organ

You haven't actually said what is derived. It generates at best a sense of distrust from around a billion people towards the USA (at worse real, real hatred) - what tangiable benefits does Joe American get from financially and politically supporting Israel above and beyond reasonable diplomacy.?

By the way, do you oppose US aid to Saudi Arabia as vociferously as you do aid to Israel?

I would imagine so, I don't know much about american aid to Saudi (I know it isn't as much as what is given to Israel) but if it's going to the house of saud then yes.

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Reply 22

Rhadamanthus

Original post by Aeolus

In the loosest sense of course.

Well yes, I don't think it's the ideal society in terms of property rights but it is better than most other countries, especially the Arab nations which proposed this resolution.

Reply 23

Mujeriego

It is possible but it is not true on this occasion. The Arab and European world are not proposing this resolution out of ignorance or just because they have the ability in being the majority. It is clear as daylight that US-backed expansionism is detrimental to Palestinian livelihood first and Israeli survival second. It's an own goal.

Reply 24

Rhadamanthus

Original post by Organ

You haven't actually said what is derived. It generates at best a sense of distrust from around a billion people towards the USA - what tangiable benefits does Joe American get from financially and politically supporting Israel above and beyond reasonable diplomacy.?

I made a post here a few hours ago detailing why Middle Eastern hatred of the West is most definitely not derived from US foreign policy. As I say, the US by funding Israel is seeking a partner in this region in order to spread its influence.

Reply 25

Rhadamanthus

Original post by Mujeriego

You do know that all settlement building which takes place is constrained to the areas assigned to Israel's control - i.e. Area B and Area C in the West Bank? These areas were agreed upon by the Palestinian leadership themselves in the Oslo Accords.

Reply 26

Einheri

O N03z 1Ts tha JEWZ!!!1

Reply 27

Organ

That's an interesting post and not one that I wholly disagree with. American support for Israel - particularly regards issues like the illegal construction of settlements and cast iron lead does generate anger in almost every branch of the muslim world - as does the fact that Israel is the largest recipient of US aid after Iraq - despite being a highly developed nation (http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/31987.pdf).

I really do struggle to think of any tangiable measurable advantages of supporting Israel - it's hardly a useful ally given the fact it's such an isolated country with no other close allies bar the USA.

Reply 28

jakemittle

Original post by Mujeriego

Weren't the AIPAC or ZOA looking to make criticism of Israel illegal in the States as a result of anti-Zionist campus protests?

Really?...source? :smile:

Reply 29

jakemittle

This is very true, although Jake you have to admit that there is a powerful Jewish lobby in America.
Also what strategic position are you talking about?...I believe that there are no bases in Israel...the US has Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc..so what strategic position does Israel offer that the other states do not?

Reply 30

ma3eeni

Assigned for their control, as a safety measure to protect Israelis and offer some (although extremely limited) autonomy for the Palestinians. Not for Israelis to build on and basically annex.

Reply 31

Made in the USA

Original post by Organ

Really? I am curious, how does it help the national interest of the United States?

Lots of different ways. Israel and the US have teamed up on counter-terrorism measures. The two countries cooperate in information sharing, training, investigations, R&D and policymaking. There is close Israeli-American cooperation on Homeland Security, with officials regularly meeting in both countries to study new ideas and techniques regarding intelligence gathering and threat prevention. Both countries share with one another intelligence on covert espionage operations.

Reply 32

lumberjack77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-mMA18dXU

Reply 33

lumberjack77

I would be ashamed to be a yank right now over that UN vote. :colondollar:

Reply 34

Joinedup

That's david duke you just linked to... Formerly known as Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_duke

His opposition to Obama isn't just down to UNSC vetos and his hatred of Israel isn't merely out of love for Palestinians.

Reply 35

lumberjack77

Original post by Joinedup

Looking him up on you tube at the min, says he was KKK over 30 years ago though:

Wolf Blitzer versus David Duke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E

He even went to Iran lol He hangs about with Nick Griffin FFS

http://usa.altermedia.info/images/DSC00028.jpg

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Reply 36

leeber