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Libya rebels face last stand as Gaddafi forces zero in on Benghazi

Government troops close in on centre of resistance as western powers continue deliberations on whether to aid oppostion


"Libya's revolution was facing collapse as Muammar Gaddafi's forces broke through the last major line of resistance before Benghazi, the heart of the uprising and the seat of the rebel administration.

Pro-government forces pushed back the rebels in an air and land assault on the town of Ajdabiya, as the regime moved to crush the revolution once and for all before foreign powers could agree measures in support of the uprising, including a no-fly zone.

The rebels had pledged a vigorous defence of Ajdabiya but swiftly lost control of large parts of the town, including the strategically important coastal road, although pockets of fighting continued. The regime's advance leaves the road open to Benghazi, 90 miles away, where there was growing alarm as word of the latest military setback spread.

"The battle is lost. Gaddafi is throwing everything against us," a rebel officer who gave his name as General Suleiman told Reuters. :eek3:

Last night the revolutionary council, which had promised a fight to the death claimed to be in full control of Ajdabiya, but some Benghazi residents were fleeing to the Egyptian border amid considerable bitterness at the failure of western countries to back vocal support for the rebels with practical help, including a no-fly zone and military equipment to fight Gaddafi's armed forces, some trained by the British army.

The assault came as the US finally joined the UK and France in supporting a draft UN resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya. A vote on a draft motion is expected later this week or early next week, which is likely to be too late for the rebels.
Libyan state television declared: "The town of Ajdabiya has been cleansed of mercenaries and terrorists linked to the al-Qaida organisation."

The setback in Ajdabiya is the latest in a series of reverses that has seen the fortunes of the revolution set back after the initial successes that had many Libyans believing Gaddafi's regime was on the brink of collapse a fortnight ago.

Many in Benghazi are now fearful of retribution by the regime's agents and say they have no choice but to fight for their survival. But the rebel army does not appear to have made any significant preparations for the city's defence.

The assault on Ajdabiya took on a familiar pattern with Tripoli's forces first bombing then shelling the town. Gaddafi's army then came at the town from two sides. A call went out through mosques and rebel fighters moved to the front but they said they were outgunned and began pulling back.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/libya-rebels-last-stand-benghazi

Does this means there is no hope for the rebels?

Peak times.

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Reply 1
Typical West, nothing in it for them so they just turn around and say they're "thinking about it"... They don't give two ****s about human rights aslong as they can still go and cuddle up to Gaddafi for some of his oil. The rebels stand no chance against the Army, its going to be a massacre and many innocent people will die, Gaddafi will reagin power and it'll all be over. Sickening!

Haha i'm so angry. No doubt they'll do nothing about Bahrain aswell, just claim the "Rebels" (Freedom Fighters) are supporters of The Muslim Brotherhood, of which the absolute majority are not.
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Original post by Swell
No doubt they'll do nothing about Bahrain aswell...


Reply 3
Original post by Swell
Typical West, nothing in it for them so they just turn around and say they're "thinking about it"... They don't give two ****s about human rights aslong as they can still go and cuddle up to Gaddafi for some of his oil.


But if the West dosen't intervene and Gaddafi takes control of the country again, won't he give oil to Russia/China instead? For not intervening and "minding their own business" like some would say? The link between Gaddafi and the West is already broken, so all the West can do is intervene, no? Otherwise they will not get any oil...

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just a noob in these things :colondollar:
Oh for ****'s sake.

If he gets to Benghazi there will be a massacre. It'll be like another Rwanda and the international community will have blood on their hands and blame squarely at their feet.

We cannot allow this. Frankly the time has passed for a no-fly zone, and we should be looking for a full peacekeeping intervention with land forces and naval blockades of Tripoli and Sirte to stop more mass murder.
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Reply 5
Original post by ussumane
But if the West dosen't intervene and Gaddafi takes control of the country again, won't he give oil to Russia/China instead? For not intervening and "minding their own business" like some would say? The link between Gaddafi and the West is already broken, so all the West can do is intervene, no? Otherwise they will not get any oil...

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just a noob in these things :colondollar:


Money money money. Give him a wod of cash and he'll give you oil.
Well it was the Russians and the Chinese fault for vetoing the resolution at the UN...
I don't see why we don't just have another Iraq tbh - we could go in there, somewhat legally this time, and actually come away with some oil...
Original post by eLECTROLOSIS
Well it was the Russians and the Chinese fault for vetoing the resolution at the UN...


It hasn't even been voted on yet, France, Britain and the US have simply drafted and tabled the motion for discussion.
Reply 9
We can't win in this situation, if we don't get involved there will be a massacre of Libyans who we will be made to feel responsible for the death of, but if we do get involved we will be labelled oil hungry, and out to boss around yet another conflicted nation.
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Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
It hasn't even been voted on yet, France, Britain and the US have simply drafted and tabled the motion for discussion.


Oh yeah sorry.. I must be thinking of ALL of the other times that they've vetoed UN resolutions like this. Burma and Zimbabwe spring to mind immediately....
Original post by Barden
I don't see why we don't just have another Iraq tbh - we could go in there, somewhat legally this time, and actually come away with some oil...


Do you realise that the amount invested in the war does not equate to the amount obtained from 'oil'; considering they stole barely anything.
Original post by eLECTROLOSIS
Oh yeah sorry.. I must be thinking of ALL of the other times that they've vetoed UN resolutions like this. Burma and Zimbabwe spring to mind immediately....


I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying that they haven't had a chance to yet.

If the resolution falls through as it probably will do, then **** the UN. It proved how useless it was in 1994 when a million Rwandans were murdered in cold blood, it will prove useless again now. We shouldn't be afraid to get stuck in on our own if it's what is right. The UN is powerless and we do not need it's consent to take what is obviously the right course of action.
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Reply 13
Original post by ussumane
But if the West dosen't intervene and Gaddafi takes control of the country again, won't he give oil to Russia/China instead? For not intervening and "minding their own business" like some would say? The link between Gaddafi and the West is already broken, so all the West can do is intervene, no? Otherwise they will not get any oil...

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just a noob in these things :colondollar:


It's not like that, Gaddafi has always known the West only support him for his oil, he doesn't think they're good mates or anything. Same goes for any diplomacy. If Russia and China stumped up a good price and he refused to sell to the West, the West might turn against him in the future and he'd be wiped out.

Or vice versa, if he thinks the Chinese are going to overtake the US in power balance any time soon.

Same goes for any diplomatic operation, autocratic, democratic, good guys, bad guys, whatever...
Original post by Tzarchasm
Do you realise that the amount invested in the war does not equate to the amount obtained from 'oil'; considering they stole barely anything.


Hence why I said that this time, we could actually steal some... Also, a war aginst Gaddaffi's forces would not be nearly as costly, given that Libya is closer, the rebel forces there are decent, and Gaddaffi is madder than Hitler in the bunker...
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying that they haven't had a chance to yet.

If the resolution falls through as it probably will do, then **** the UN. It proved how useless it was in 1994 when a million Rwandans were murdered in cold blood, it will prove useless again now. We shouldn't be afraid to get stuck in on our own if it's what is right. The UN is powerless and we do not need it's consent to take what is obviously the right course of action.


I agree. The UN doesn't work because everyone is so concerned with keeping the status quo. In addition to that I don't think any nation would act unilaterally given the Iraq, Afghan situation. So its a stalemate both sides...
Reply 16
Original post by ussumane
But if the West dosen't intervene and Gaddafi takes control of the country again, won't he give oil to Russia/China instead? For not intervening and "minding their own business" like some would say? The link between Gaddafi and the West is already broken, so all the West can do is intervene, no? Otherwise they will not get any oil...

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just a noob in these things :colondollar:


Problem is we've half arsed it. We've demanded he go, we've made it absolutely clear we want him gone but we don't act on it.
Reply 17
Original post by Arekkusu
It's not like that, Gaddafi has always known the West only support him for his oil, he doesn't think they're good mates or anything. Same goes for any diplomacy. If Russia and China stumped up a good price and he refused to sell to the West, the West might turn against him in the future and he'd be wiped out.

Or vice versa, if he thinks the Chinese are going to overtake the US in power balance any time soon.

Same goes for any diplomatic operation, autocratic, democratic, good guys, bad guys, whatever...



Ahh I see, I get it now :yep:

:yy:
Reply 18
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
I'm not saying they won't, I'm just saying that they haven't had a chance to yet.

If the resolution falls through as it probably will do, then **** the UN. It proved how useless it was in 1994 when a million Rwandans were murdered in cold blood, it will prove useless again now. We shouldn't be afraid to get stuck in on our own if it's what is right. The UN is powerless and we do not need it's consent to take what is obviously the right course of action.


Yea, lets pick a side in a civil war so we can be accused of being Western Imperialists trying to undermine the legitimacy of an internal revolution. That'll end well :rolleyes:

But seriously, if we intervene it would be like declaring war on western Libya as Gaddafi has a lot of support there. We'd have to kill tonnes of civilians who picked up arms to support Gaddafi. Western international intervention would cause more problems than it would solve. The AU should be responsible for any international intervention, not NATO.
Reply 19
Original post by hamijack
Yea, lets pick a side in a civil war so we can be accused of being Western Imperialists trying to undermine the legitimacy of an internal revolution. That'll end well :rolleyes:

But seriously, if we intervene it would be like declaring war on western Libya as Gaddafi has a lot of support there. We'd have to kill tonnes of civilians who picked up arms to support Gaddafi. Western international intervention would cause more problems than it would solve. The AU should be responsible for any international intervention, not NATO.


That is very true.

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