Poorest pupils '55 times less likely to go to Oxbridge

Just impliment a nation wide intelligence tets for all uni applicants in year 12 it will make the system much more eglatarnisim

Actully Iq test a very difficult to coach for a very few peopel could coach a person to make a signifient diffranbce to their score, ultimatly it would be almost impossible to find a system that is perfect and ensures people get the places they deserve to based on their intelligence, but it defintly improve the system to a great degree.

Also, an iq test could be used in conguntion with a levels, or subject sepfic unversity entrance exams which test knowlage and for them their is a simple rank sysytmen such as pass, merit, distinction. etc thsi will asses both subject knowlage and intelligence without giving to much of an advantage to any one group

Actully Iq test a very difficult to coach for a very few peopel could coach a person to make a signifient diffranbce to their score, ultimatly it would be almost impossible to find a system that is perfect and ensures people get the places they deserve to based on their intelligence, but it defintly improve the system to a great degree.

Also, an iq test could be used in conguntion with a levels, or subject sepfic unversity entrance exams which test knowlage and for them their is a simple rank sysytmen such as pass, merit, distinction. etc thsi will asses both subject knowlage and intelligence without giving to much of an advantage to any one group

Actully Iq test a very difficult to coach for a very few peopel could coach a person to make a signifient diffranbce to their score, ultimatly it would be almost impossible to find a system that is perfect and ensures people get the places they deserve to based on their intelligence, but it defintly improve the system to a great degree.

Also, an iq test could be used in conguntion with a levels, or subject sepfic unversity entrance exams which test knowlage and for them their is a simple rank sysytmen such as pass, merit, distinction. etc thsi will asses both subject knowlage and intelligence without giving to much of an advantage to any one group

Actully Iq test a very difficult to coach for a very few peopel could coach a person to make a signifient diffranbce to their score, ultimatly it would be almost impossible to find a system that is perfect and ensures people get the places they deserve to based on their intelligence, but it defintly improve the system to a great degree.

Also, an iq test could be used in conguntion with a levels, or subject sepfic unversity entrance exams which test knowlage and for them their is a simple rank sysytmen such as pass, merit, distinction. etc thsi will asses both subject knowlage and intelligence without giving to much of an advantage to any one group

You can coach it quite easily. There's a finite combination of questions they can ask (for example, in sequence questions with shapes, there's a finite number of possible sequences) so you just tutor them for a specific amount of these questions. Over the years, there's been an internet IQ test i've gone back to every few months. The questions never change but i *never* see the answers. Nevertheless, my score is higher each time simply because i'm more prepared for the questions which will come up. Coaching gives a very similar effect.

eugh, this whole discussion annoys me every time.

ive lived on a council estate all my life, went to a crappy high school and go to the local state sixth form which is decent. i had free school meals in primary school and have always been entitled to them but i took packed lunch all through high school because of some comments made in primary school about free school meals.

i applied to cambridge with 5 A* prediction (having already achieved one in maths). i never once felt like i was being discriminated against. it was completely fair - my interview was as tough as any oxbridge interview and at no point was i made to feel out of place because of my background.

i got an offer.

i wish people would criticize the system which produces the candidates when its not the unis fault that the best people applying to them usually come from public schools.

i also wish that state school students who got rejected would stop blaming their background and accept that it is possible to get into oxbridge regardless of your background.

Why would a tutor reject an applicant on their background? What would be the point?

... becauase their all rashist.

erm. . .what?

sorry.

I think I've missed something here :/

i was just being an idiot.. trust me you didn't miss anything.

nobody would find what I posted funny, except for me.. because it doesn't mean anything to anybody but me.

The question you finished your post with reminded me of a conversation... Long story.

Are you sure... So what was the point of the OP's post?

Yes buts its better at distigusing and demostrating ablity then a levels, being reltivly cheap and easy to impliment it would still be a move towards improving the system

i dont agree with the constant oxbridge-bashing that goes on and im not convinced that oxford and cambridge are somehow morally obliged to positively discriminate.

not really, iq tests tell you how good you are at spotting patterns and you can certainly practise spotting patterns. theres also a lot of matching words to synonyms/antonyms which can definitely be improved just by expanding your vocabulary and understanding grammar.

I think that my confidence is justified, still doesn't guarantee me a place but one can only try.

Yes, but Iq test are spefically desgined to make sure its only your intelligence that can spot patterns, and why on avearge studies indicate peoples iq remains more or less the same througout their life. Also vocuabulary is thought to be closly related to intelligence with most individals in the devloped world reaching their ful capcity for vocabulary.

Maybe not morally obliged, but there's quite a strong pragmatic argument for favoring state school kids - see here.