The Burkha Controversy - Now Sikhism

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Original post by Harrifer

This explains why I've never heard of any kirpan-related knife crime.

Clearly the system works, why change it?

Well check my edit in my OP for a news story of a kirpan-related knife crime.

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meenu89

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Original post by Singh993

This thread is *******s

I'm a Sikh, and although I don't carry a kirpan we have every right to do so
nearly every baptised sikh carries a small, blunt kirpan....it's about as dangerous as my left foot

furthermore , in the UK, the kirpan has never been used to attack/kill another individual.....

Wearing the kirpan for baptised sikhs is a major part of sikhism - we were a religion born from warriors yet, funnily enough, are incredibly tolerant and have integrated very well into British society

over 100k turbaned sikh soldiers died for this country in WWII; we're earnt the right to live here and practise our faith peacefully

stop being such a buffoon

For the first time I agree with you :eek:

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tieyourmotherdown

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They should be treated with the same rules and regulations as every other weapon, yes. Banned outright? Well are current weapons of the same size banned outright? If not, then no, but if they are, then yes.

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OP

Original post by Singh993

Wearing the kirpan for baptised sikhs is a major part of sikhism - we were a religion born from warriors yet, funnily enough, are incredibly tolerant and have integrated very well into British society

over 100k turbaned sikh soldiers died for this country in WWII; we're earnt the right to live here and practise our faith peacefully

Many more English soldier's died yet this doesn't and shouldn't give me (their ancestors) the right to carry a dagger.

(edited 13 years ago)

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Original post by Paint-a-Picture

Well in that case I think everyone should carry a small knife around, you know not anything personal just 'protection' purposes.

Okay, have you ever heard of a Sikh killing a man with a kirpan in the purpose of robbing the guy or something like that? No you haven't. A kirpan is used for when the holder is under threat and even if another innocent civilian, you don't exactly see Sikhs stabbing people randomly with it do you.

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username461215

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Original post by R.B.G

Many more English soldier's died yet this doesn't and shouldn't give me the right to carry a dagger.

people like you need to be educated.....it's a FUNDAMENTAL part of sikhism

"The Kirpan (English pronunciation: /k??r?p??n/; Punjabi: ?????? kirp?n) is a sword or dagger carried only by Baptized Sikhs. According to a mandatory religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Baisakhi Amrit Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in CE 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all times, and not under any circumstances are they allowed to remove the Kirpan."

This would be like banning people from wearing a crucifix

stop being so damn ignorant

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Original post by R.B.G

Many more English soldier's died yet this doesn't and shouldn't give me (their ancestors) the right to carry a dagger.

Is a dagger a religious item you tw.at?

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Uzzy?

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As long as they're not used outside the home I think its fine.

Whilst we're on this topic, my bf's uncle was chased by an old sikh man threatning to chop his head off with that thing :lolwut:

Edit- Btw I know this was a bizzare one off incident and not representative of all Sikhs who carry these. :redface:

(edited 13 years ago)

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Original post by Singh993

people like you need to be educated.....it's a FUNDAMENTAL part of sikhism

"The Kirpan (English pronunciation: /k??r?p??n/; Punjabi: ?????? kirp?n) is a sword or dagger carried only by Baptized Sikhs. According to a mandatory religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Baisakhi Amrit Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in CE 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all times, and not under any circumstances are they allowed to remove the Kirpan."

This would be like banning people from wearing a crucifix

stop being so damn ignorant

Well said.

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Original post by Warrior078

Okay, have you ever heard of a Sikh killing a man with a kirpan in the purpose of robbing the guy or something like that? No you haven't. A kirpan is used for when the holder is under threat and even if another innocent civilian, you don't exactly see Sikhs stabbing people randomly with it do you.

Here you go: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/04/07/toronto-kirpan-debate-brampton.html

Original post by Warrior078

Is a dagger a religious item you tw.at?

For Sikhs, yes.

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username461215

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Original post by R.B.G

Here you go: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/04/07/toronto-kirpan-debate-brampton.html

please, please, please stfu

ITS ONE CASE

all you can do is quote one case, and use it as an example to deprive people of the 5th largest religion in the world, the right to practice their religion fully.

your arguments are so flawed it's unbelievable

pure ignorance and nothing else

Hence: foolish buffoon is foolish

good'day

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aeterno

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Original post by adam_zed

lets ban the crucifix as well because it can be used to poke people and make them cry.....

Don't forget what it'll do to the poor old vampires :sad:

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Original post by R.B.G

Here you go: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/04/07/toronto-kirpan-debate-brampton.html

For Sikhs, yes.

Thanks for the article, please provide me some more. How about as much as there are articles on "knife" crimes. Seriously this is bullsh.it, I live in an area with a lot of Sikhs and have seen many stories about knife crime in the local area, but none involving a kirpan. I know, maybe because not all Sikhs carry a kirpan, only a few who follow the Khalsa I believe it is. So please stfu.

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